2h swords hot takes

Warhammer 40,000: Darktide General Discussion
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Way too early for me to say anything with certainty, but I leveled up both swords, took the stronger variant for a spin in the grinder, and played a match or two on both one of my psykers & my zelly.

And my first impressions are just… whoah. Like I said, too early, but I definitely got the feeling they’re way too powerful. The low dodges & bad mobility is a good thing considering. But between their absolutely insane strength, cleave, fantastic finesse bonuses on the two classes that excel at crits, and extremely high single target anti-armor dmg, they don’t really seem to have a lot of weaknesses.

They absolutely destroy hordes, specials, oggies, everything, and even do very well against bosses.

My only “complaints” (not really, just stuff I didn’t get the time to confirm or get used to yet) are with the Force Sword variant. You need a lot of melee kills to charge it, and that charge has a timer so it’ll start diminishing pretty fast. It was immediately noticeable that my typical hybrid staff & melee gameplay wasn’t enough to charge it, instead I’d have to really emphasize melee at the cost of missing all that ranged cleave from my staff. Also the 2h sword’s push-attack was a lot weaker than normal. Idk if it’s just them, or if they nerfed it for all Force Swords though. But I do love that the level 3 charge - considering how much effort it takes to get it there - is absolutely, ridiculously, devastatingly powerful. :joy:

For the Power Sword variant, no complaints at all. It has a fantastic moveset with that PA → heavy → heavy → repeat for hordes (I’ve always loved combos that start with a PA, since it has that control so always usable while acting as an autoreset from any combo), and light → basically anything at all for single targets. Tremendously powerful for everything. And the blessings for extra power & heat control on headshots are amazing for something that so easily sweeps through heads like a hot knife through butter. :smile:

There’s so much about them I want to test tomorrow, blessings and all!

But overall I think they really nailed it with the general pacing & feel: Clearly heavy & slower than usual weapons, but not so slow as to become a liability. Still… I do worry that if those impressions were right, what’s the point of bringing axes etc anymore when these things do the same job but 2x better?

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This is exact. You well described why PS is OP. Even the drawback is not enough to disqualify this weapon. (I don’t call for nerf… this weapon is not enough used to call for this)

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Have you ever used a decent crutchsword(mk6 with sunder)?

That’s insane strength/cleave. What we got in recent patch is not even close.

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i literally logged on, did the first auric maelstrom to enable havoc which happened to be a scab melee only mission with the relic sword. First mission and it immediately clicked on MK X. Mk2 is a bit more nuanced but after playing it for a few games i think i preffer it.

It feels like understanding how the attacks flow gives you the ability to react to any situation in combat with ease. But i guess when comparing it to the absolutely mind-numbingly boring stab spam of the dueling sword, it is overengineered. Because god forbid we have to learn weapon attacks for optimal use at high diffs.

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being able to complete auric maelstrom as one of 4 players doesn’t say much about the effectiveness of the weapon.

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I feel like one cant take a new sword in and expect to perform at the highest levels right away with it. Also you say that like a slur.

Thats true of many good weapons tho.

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The weapon movesets are not that hard…

It is like a slur when someone tells you to build/play better but he relies on stun grenade + plays at low difficulty.

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projection has never been more obvious.

for one, stun grenade is on wrong side of tree, getting to it requires people to take a bunch of bad nodes, going to knife only requires one(backstab).

The fact that you haven’t figured that out tells people plenty about the level you play at.

If a weapon requires people to build suboptimally to make up for its shortcomings, that’s a bad weapon.

You don’t understand the difference between those of us who use meme builds for shits and giggles at top difficulty and those of you who insist on gimping yourself and your team at babymode just so you can get some wins.

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as if there couldn’t be a healthy middle-ground with more nuanced marks and more simple marks like eg. eviscerator, dueling sword, force sword, tactical axe, pickaxes, sapper shovels…

but god forbid we provide tools for players with various playstyles and preferences instead of pandering to @czosnekkuba, a very well-known rando on the internet

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I have the absolute opposite opinion. I think they’re totally overtuned with the only thing that takes away from them is how overengineered their moveset is. I’m fine with some moveset depth but come on, name one time a weapon that doesn’t have a relatively simple horde clear combo was actually fun. I’m just not interested in doing an actual MMO rotation to kill poxwalkers, I’m glad it has varied attacks and I think stuff like special followups, sprint attacks, slide attacks etc are very cool but there is such a thing as too much effort just to chop up poxies. I’ll happily do that for a crusher but just for the bog standard hordeclear combo it’s overbearing.

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so if i find a weapon fun to use and nuanced, thats bad because we dont provide tools for various playstyles and preferences?

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if you find it fun and nuanced you would want the weapon to be better instead of malding when people call it mid.

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Im not malding - it simply isnt mid but you refuse to look at it in a vacuum instead of comparing it to arguably the most busted and braindead melee in the game. How is any weapon suppoused to look anything better than mid?

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no, and don’t put words in my mouth

we could have both nuanced and simple marks, and in fact should. so both people who prefer simplistic movesets and engaging combos will have a toy.

you can have your graphing calculator of a sword and like it, that’s fine

what is bad, selfish and egocentric is to not allow me the same for my preferences

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lmao I was just watching a stream then you came out of nowhere to cry about getting owned here at the forums

no wonder you try to link reginald.

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Where did I, at any point, told you you cant have preferences? You’re free to use anything you like in any capacity you want. I’m simply stating that I dont find it overengineered, but rewarding with good pay off for the mastery. I’m all for more easy to use weapons because they have they place too. Now YOU are putting words in my mouth.

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Commenting on the forums’ sentiment towards newly released content on a chat of one of the more prominent high level players is definitely ‘‘crying about getting owned’’.

You’re the only person playing this ‘‘im in the right’’ game and you’re not winning anything other than the title of an ass

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ROFL

Now tell us when did we tell you the weapon is “dogshit”

Oh there is no winning; I’m just watching you mald.

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I’ve been waiting for a two-handed sword for psyker since the release of the game, and this is an incredible disappointment, considering how pathetically they showed it.
Very little damage and impact, which does not justify slowing down the attack speed compared to a one-handed weapon, very slow charging animation.
This sword is not needed for anything other than

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I see no reason to use this useless garbage, because Illisi does absolutely everything much better.

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Ofcourse there is no winning - there is nothing to win. You’re simply enjoying the notion of thinking you’re “owning somebody on the forums” lol. I wish i could find enjoyment in this the same way you do.

I do wish you find a more fulfilling way to spend your time though, it does not seem healthy in the long term!

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