It also only took them 6 years to finally release a retinue based class.
I’d would say, the less gray nodes in the tree the better, prior to Bound by Duty the talents tree of Veteran used to deal with 19 grey nodes between his skills and currently have 10 unlike the other classes.
Fewer options in general is better, like pre-patch zealot. Especially with constant resets. Don’t bother with learning these stupid RPG trees. Just put weapons I want to use into gameslantern and copy it. Maybe minor adjustments If I want soulfire or something.
The old system copied from VerminTide 2 was better.
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No, no, he’s got a point.
Like, pull away the power creep of five billion tree buffs, the V2 style trees didn’t break like this.
Add the different blitzes and ults as options on it and you’ll have corrected for a lot of the power creep while still probably retaining the cool stuff.
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Nerf weapon blessings/talents that adds too much raw power.
Add curios blessings that both have pros and cons, smth like:
- You deal more damage but you take more damage (with each stack)
- more hp and toughness but less mobility
- bigger mag size, longer reloading
etc.
The only system that has tradeoffs is when you roll stats and there is a dump one. Well chem lab also with CD price and a few talents noone cares about.
In most games you have either of those - loadout points/equipment weight, stats requirement, weapon attachements having positive and negative effects.
In a perfect world they need class specific side progression system (prestige levels?), like chem lab is for ganger. Or like a tarrot deck that provides some quirks and it’s not organised like a tree so no troubles with the structure and placing only numbers tweaking.
Idk why they went with ARPG structured tree for the game that has no ARPG core systems and only 30 lvls not 100+ so the tree must be packed tight with strong options.
I can slap all nades regen talents, ammo, voc, take the best weapons both melee and range, good luck to balance it. That nade spam playstyle should be a proper grenadier build asks to invest in.
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Its has been 6 years already? 
At this point just give me a skin for braced autogun that looks like a grimdark M60 with a belt please. I don’t think we’re ever getting anything larger than that on veteran.
This sort of thing seems to be endemic with Fatshark development. They have an absolutely magnificent core gameplay loop they’ve developed on their proprietary engine, and then keep layering mechanics on all the surrounding experience that simply do not belong. Gacha-gambling gear & crafting mechanics, MMO-style grind “dailies”, vastly overcomplicated talent trees, etc ad nauseum.
The underlying game has tons of unexplained mechanics and numbers that the players really have no way of learning, understanding, and extrapolating or theorycrafting with (particularly within the game itself without resorting to extensive 3rd party internet research). Having huge expansive talent trees for a coop action shooter that relies on players choosing dozens of talents to fiddle with the nobs of those mechanics is an exercise in developer masturbation, not player agency.
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Way easier to balance and it would allow for new subclasses
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2026 in a few weeks 
If the Veteran of the future Dark Heresy can use Siege Stubber and other big weapons I don’t see reasons why Veteran of Darktide can’t do it.
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Veteran is using this on his left talent tree art and Dreg Gunners are using it as well. No reason not to make a usable stubber for the veteran and arbitrator
with 30 strenght aswell, it must have had 55 strenght requirement and he just took the heavy weapon proficency
The reason Veteran can’t get an LMG is because a full auto, high fire rate, high magazine, high ammo pool stubgun with ammo regeneration would break the game. For Veteran, I mean. For Hive Scum it’s fine because you have to pay 12 bucks
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Darktide isn’t a free to play game though, and many cosmetics in the FOMO store for Veteran and others are above 12 bucks.
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