It has allways been my main weapon through the time i have played the game, but honestly it does need some sort of buff, i know a few months it got a few/lot of changes, but since the moment i saw them i knew they wouldn’t be enough to put this weapon on pair of the shoes of others, specially when we talk about boss damage because i still think that the nerf was horrible, it was (and still is) shroudfield the real problem with one-shotting bosses, right now the time/effort to kill let say a plague ogryn from the front using the ironhelm without shoudfield is bad, just try it for youself.
Speaking of havoc 40 i think is just not fair how the weapon performs, and i’m not even gonna compare it with other weapons, just with itself is really bad.
I’m not gonna give rework/changes ideas, i have given and others too, plenty of them, so for now i think it just need a damage buff, just enough to kill most of the enemies without having to use a ton of perks, buffs and ults, like just by a naked near perfect ironhelm you should one-shot most enemies at havoc 40.
it should one-shot most enemies on havoc 40
it shouldn’t
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increase damage against bosses (not enough to be a gamebreaker)
True, but how it should be done to make a special attack on the hummer to one-shot a simple maniac without the need of 50 buffs, like make separated stat for it on havoc?, i really don’t know.
And is the same with bosses, it takes a hell lot of time to kill bosses with the ironhealm+FotF
The Ironhelm was and is designed around being the add clear hammer.
The Crucis is the one meant to kill bosses/armored targets, Ironhelm deals with Flak and below (there’s a reason it’s horizontal heavy doesn’t get changed when you charge it, while the Crucis got updated to an overhead).
(To clarify why I’m saying this since a few seem to not quite get it, there’s a point made about how ‘trying to kill a plague ogryn from the front using the ironhelm without shroudfield is bad’, and it’s like, yeah, no du. That’s like saying killing any monstrosity with the Heavy Sword is bad, it’s literally designed to be that way. Though I will admit the fact that the iron helm shares the same exact damage profiles as the Crucis when it comes to it’s wide heavy swings is rather cheeks, it definitely should have more of a weighting toward the things it’s supposed to be good against so you can clear them without charging instead of being just a strictly worse option than Crucis with slightly better wave clear combos. But, I just felt I needed to say the above as it’s comparing ‘apples to oranges’, and I think the one thing I have seen brought up that I agree with is that the Crucis isn’t able to 1 shot a crusher with thrust without at least one stack of headtaker/sustained assault active. And that is booty cheeks no matter how much you slice it.)
Yeah i know, i gave that idea like one year before the changes happened, most of my feed doesn’t goes to bosses really, is more like, when on havoc 40 it doesn’t really matter that the crucis can one-shot elite/specials with less buffs than the ironhelm needs, is more to make the thunderhummer more competent at h40, wich is not, and that is mostly my point.
The (lack of) maniac damage on either thunderhammer makes it rather ill-advised to be used on havoc. In a game where dreg ragers packs are literally the most dangerous enemy type in melee range, such a shortcoming can not be easily overcome as a frontline.
At the same time I don’t think you would change any breakpoints on regular damnation by making it oneshot things it should be oneshotting on H40, in this particular case. Like it already oneshots crushers on damnation, making it so it also does it on Havoc would not actually change anything right
unactivated ironhelm has similar clear to crucis with weaker lights. i dont think the conditional clear advantage is enough for it to be weaker over all
I feel like theyre both more or less fine in damnation maybe ironhelm could use a small carapace adm buff since many other melee options can deal with crushers with either less time, more maneuverability or both
