Should FatShark really fear backlash for nerfing the Dueling Sword and other overpowered weapons?

DS mk V is currently every bit as problematic as DS mk IV. For me the strikedown heavy attacks are easier to land and the light attacks are faster, allowing for easier horde clear.

The only point you could take is that a nerf to uncanny strikes will hit this mark harder but frankly it is in no way comparable to other weapons (think og shovel). So no in my eyes your point is moot.

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Oh yes I remember the “white racist ogryn” one, that sheet was funny.

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Will i get a nuanced, informed, specific and respectable weapon balance discussion in return?

Because if i suddenly disappear and say no more, we’d still have people trying to nerf weapons they don’t even know exists, mistaking the one size fits all approach of an edgy virtue!

That’s real, like it or not!

You mean like mocking a guy for resisting meta for nearly 1500 TL when he tries to guard his own unique little niche corner he made for himself?

Nevermind, sorry for the dolt o7

Back then, maybe, I wasn’t there when it happend, so I don’t know how long did Darktide remained “Mixed” in the Recent Reviews.

But what I do know, is that when the Hive Scum trailer first dropped, I saw Darktide’s Recent Reviews section go from “Mostly positive” to “Mixed”. It was +212 negative reviews in one day (Nov 19). On Nov 20 it was +48 negative reviews and on Nov 21 +25 negative reviews. On Nov 22 there were no new negative reviews. A couple of days later, I came back and the Recent Reviews section was back to “Mostly positive”.

What I’m saying is that DT had time to set itself pretty high up in the review section, so even 212 negative reviews dropping in one day will only bring the game’s Recent Reviews down to “Mixed” for only a couple of days. So I think FS can make it work by adding something new to get positive reviews (like new maps/enemies/weapons) and also apply nerfs to the outliers, so the negative reviews won’t drop the game’s reviews to “Mixed”. And if it would still bring it to “Mixed”, it wouldn’t last for any longer than a few days.

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Do you really want me to join this debate too?

Think about it for a moment.

There’s a reason so many people are disagreeing with you, and backing up their points with evidence.

You are not “resisting the meta” at all. Just because your preferred setup requires 3.8 hits instead of 3.2 does not make you better than anyone. How exactly were people “mocking” you before you lashed out?

You are refusing to look at the evidence people are giving you on a silver platter and making sweeping generalist statements about groups of people at large.

What exactly are you hoping to gain from any of this?

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The issue isn’t just direct nerfs. Buffing Crushers’ HP is basically an indirect nerf to everything that isn’t meta. Instead of broadening viable options, it funnels players harder into the same few weapons and builds, ogryn is back to being a taunt bot, zealot doesn’t feel great, Arbites is a mini smite bot, nobody likes rotten and garden combo. it’s not fun when balance changes reduce diversity instead of expanding it, and that’s what player nerfs (direct or otherwise) always lead to, despite how many spreadsheets you are able to paste on these posts.

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I know you are sad that we didn’t invite you to play soggy biscuit but you’re just to passive aggressive mate sorry.

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Caught in 4K, lmao

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By the way an uncanny dueling sword user wrote this sentence. Just so you don’t lose track of the absurdity of it all

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The issue isn’t about Asia as a whole, but rather about one specific country.
Many players there have values that differ greatly from those in other regions, to the point that their entire approach to games feels fundamentally different. They generally don’t care much about balance, and a large portion of them believe that as long as they can become the strongest, paying for power is completely acceptable. In fact, I know several games that have created P2W-exclusive servers specifically for that country. Path of Exile 2 is also reportedly preparing dedicated servers for them.

On top of that, when things don’t go their way or when something becomes inconvenient, they often try to force changes by review-bombing and applying pressure to the developers.

I don’t think it’s inherently bad—people have different values after all.
However, if they genuinely want a game where you can “destroy everything with a single button,” then I think Darktide should also create a server exclusively for them, with systems like:

  • Unlimited ammo with no need to reload

  • Pay 100 Aquilas to instantly revive even after being downed

Let them enjoy the game in the way they prefer, without affecting everyone else.

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i had him figured as much, guy was yappin about “only playing ogryn” and went eerily quiet after i uploaded a plethora of vet and zealot videos equally clutching and carrying.

oddly enough all without ever using anything like the plasma or dueling sword :face_with_tongue:

see above as i am “the guy”

yet “the guy” 2 days out of hospital after a 3 week high dose chemo just went “wiggle your big toe” through 3 matches and am almost back to where i was when i left, minus some muscle athropy and “mind fog” of course.

when using my ogryn main (since release mind you when the class was considered “crap” well into havoc season 1) i never resort to any BLO rumbler or bully 3 spam and clear havoc 40 (repeatedly) with a full health build, yet for some reason envious folk need something to pick upon :man_shrugging:

the insult isnt on me :laughing:

after all i got done while under this treatment and still perform better than the vast majority, including some of the “petty ones”, that aint a different ball park, there´s a whole universe between :rofl:

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You can say China.

Also, let me say it bluntly: if that’s remotely accurate and not just a stereotype fueled by Those Guys being prevalent due to how statistics work, they can bugger off. Just because your life is so depressing you feel you need to buy more power just to have something you control, doesn’t mean you get to export those toxic ideas to the rest of us. Pay-2-win garbage is pay-2-win garbage, and ‘oh they have different values’ doesn’t change that.

Because Fatshark won’t isolate their nonsense, because that would cost money. If they fold, they’ll just make everything super-powerful.

And honestly if the reason the DS nerfs got accompanied by a bunch of changes that essentially buffed it relative to other weapons is because Chinese players threw a tantrum, screw them. They should develop some humility.

I want ye olde Darktide back, where you had to actually think about melee, where tactics mattered to at least some degree and individual enemies could punish you.

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You have no idea how much I empathize with that.

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old darktide was kinda shyt tbh, but it was waaaaay better than what we have rn

People are wild, especially those firmly planted in this disappointment of a meta we find ourselves in, but hey, what can we do?

Bit of a tangent but I (rather amusingly) landed in a lobby with one in the wee hours of this morning. I’ll tuck it away so it doesn’t take up space on this topic :joy:

Summary

Auric Maelstrom went off the board about 15 minutes before I hopped in with the mod, I like backfilling since the thought of people leaving others in the dirt when nobody can really join anymore doesn’t sit right with me, it’s a heretical thing to do.

Anyway, so I spawn in midway through the mission with 20% health, no nades, barely any ammo, the classic, usually that’d be fine, but by the time I gained control of my character a bomber nade went off at my feet and a gaggle of shotgunners were unloading into me, so obviously, im on the deck within a second, but sometimes it be like that :person_shrugging: That’s when I notice, there’s only one other player in the squad: a Purg+Uncanny+Bubble Psyker. Oh joy.

A bot gets me up, but no med stim (for me at least) nor medicae within sight for the moment, but no matter, it happens, so we truck on for a bit. Then, double chaos spawns. I think “easy, I’m on a melee build, time to get bonking”, so I’m going at it, in my rhythm, dodge-dancing, perfect-blocking, crunching heretics, life’s good, then, shock horror, a poxburster explodes. No sight nor sound of it, no idea whether it was an engine hiccup or just heavily muted by the double spawn snarls and smacks, but I’m out for the count then, gone, kaput, eatin’ rations at the god-emperor’s side…

Turns out purg-brained matey there was stood directly to my right the whole time… in melee… with the double spawns… purgin’ them point blank… (keep this in mind)

He then med stims himself with one he’d been hauling round and finishes em off with help from the other bot, and I’m just waiting for pickup, these things happen. Sounds good and simple, right?

Wrong. He tried to flame me in chat :joy:

Although I wanted to say something like so why didn’t you put the fire stick down for half a second and push it yourself, seeing as you were within a metre of me?, I said something along the lines of “didn’t make a sound for me, don’t know what you expect”, but alas, I didn’t even need to. After watching him mope around for a couple of minutes with a bot before the poor unfortunate thing’s untimely demise (he blew it off the map with a barrel), he gets netted, burstered and dies anyway, leaving without a word as soon as the post-game screen appears :joy::rofl:

Blame me for buggering something up yourself now lil’ buddy :joy:

I’m not taking lip from somebody who’s using one of, if not the most brainless, broken builds in the game, and seemingly doesn’t understand that they aren’t the main character :joy::rofl:

Gotta start asking myself “hmm I’ve joined a mission with one guy trudging along alone, maybe there’s an actual reason everybody else has gone?”, especially when it’s someone using the vilest setups possible, with an attitude to match :joy:

Genuinely baffling to me how people can think like that :person_shrugging:

But alas, what did I do immediately following that encounter in the wild? Queued for the new 3-VEG on the map and marched our merry band of varlets to the extraction, start to finish :saluting_face:

Absolute cinema.

God I love this game :joy:

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Path of Exile has a separate Chinese client, managed by Tencent, that has its own server and is distinct from the global version. This separation is due to content regulations and different monetization expectations, leading to unique features in the Chinese client, such as loot pets and other pay-to-win elements, which are not present in the global version

No i’m not agitating for segregation. But IF it’s a big factor for FS indeed then it’s totally fine cause of how gaming culture and market mentality are different.

In the end people will be able to choose what client they want to play on.

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well recording the “fun stuff” and putting em on display like the good ol “pranger” of yonder is a good start by any means :rofl:

sometimes them crutchlings and underperformers make for a nice comedic relief, especially if you still out-kill/damage em while doing the rest as well.

cause emprah knows beyond their 1/2trick pony move they aint capable of chaining together complex engagement solutions :man_shrugging: or anything that requires a few thoughts ahead :joy:

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Lame I want to be rewarded for hitting headshots

But yes this could lose uncanny / uncanny nerfed to not interact with DoTs / uncanny reworked into something else and the DS would still be good

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aw flagged before I could read it, bummer :pensive_face:

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Oh dear oh dear…

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Now what happened here?

I wonder what he came at me with :skull:

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