I’m not sure if this is a unpopular opinion but right now being able to just spam parry and be basically invincible with minimal effort is not a good thing. Havoc 40, 0 melee talents, just spamming the button as fast as I can press it: Yeah not the best clear time or anything, maybe like 16 seconds peak (this is literally my second attempt). But like this group isn’t trivial to clear on havoc 40 with most melee builds, it takes being fairly attentive and reasonably skilled to not catch a few stray hits from the ragers. VS just spamming parry until they all fall over. Its not even really the damage that is crazy good, its more just how easy it is to trivialize most melee situations on ranged builds. I feel like the only change that is really required here is to make the parry counter attack only trigger on a perfect parry. Still counts as a block through the whole parry window, but doesn’t trigger the counter attack that staggers enemies and deals high damage. Maybe even just triggering a less powerful counter attack with much lower stagger (its really the stagger that makes it good at getting out of bad situations). At least then you would need to at least try in these situations.

[image] Enforest: insane crit with chained deathblow + zealot crit nodes and keystone, brutal momentum from deathblow, this is about light spam, VI has horizontal swipes for lights and heavies diagonal strikedowns which are very good against human-sized elites

My gut tells me DC7 is better lightspam into mixed hordes with armor and your claim isnt 100% right because the mark 7 specifically has a strikedown light in the chain (i use dc7 and heavy sword regularly on zealot) but I can take your word for it for now. My original point stands - the damage on this weapon is quite high even without parry. The fact that HS is better at it or whatever doesnt matter. What I am trying to convey I guess (even though nobody prompted it) is that this weapon is dangerously close to becoming yet another lightspam lame-o weapon. It isn’t one yet, but one or two misguided buffs would easily push it over the edge. People just dont know about it. This would be a much bigger problem than OP’s issue with parry spam (which I stated above I actually disagree and feel kind of ok with).

[image] jerrooo: Either some kind of inverse damage scaling based on the time between parry action + riposte, or a blessing that gives a bonus on perfect parry. I’m down for either, but I think it’s definitely a missed opportunity to not have any perfect-block blessings on this weapon.

Fascinating thread. It’s like everyone who comes in gets the rational part of their brain instantly one shot by the general idea of nerfing Dclaw, then get caught in a loop arguing about the general viability of the weapon, ignoring the actual point being made. It seems very reasonable to me to ask whether, in Havoc 40 of all modes, you ought to be able to take a character with zero melee talents, and solve a combat scenario like that by simply mashing the parry button with relatively minimal build commitment (some stam and BCR). I mean it’s very hard to argue that you at any point in that video interacted with any enemy meaningfully, and again you did this with a melee weapon with zero melee investment. I’m not sure whether it’s a pressing issue or what the solution should be, but surely requiring some actual timing and reacting to attacks rather than blind mashing would be a better place for the parry overall, however that is achieved.

[image] alsozara: I’m not sure whether it’s a pressing issue or what the solution should be, but surely requiring some actual timing and reacting to attacks rather than blind mashing would be a better place for the parry overall, however that is achieved. Honestly, having a short cooldown between parries would probably be reasonable. It doesn’t have to be anything oppressive, but enough that you need to make some effort to time it properly. The parry cooldown shouldn’t affect other attacks so you can work it into combos easily. And reset the cooldown on successful parry so you can still chain it.

[image] jerrooo: Delete one of the 5 impact blessings maybe lol. Would go a long way towards promoting methodical play. I’m always reminded of Fatshark buffing devil’s claw at one point describing it as: [image]Free Update: Battle for Tertium - Out Now! (Patch Notes) Catachan “Devil’s Claw” Swords This batch of changes for the Devil’s Claw swords aims at further reinforcing the crowd control and reliability of the family. Whatever Fatshark’s vision of this weapon is, I think it’s wack. The weapon’s entire gimmick requires you to give up opportunity for crowd control.

[image] Effigy: Honestly, having a short cooldown between parries would probably be reasonable. At very least a cooldown or end lag period for missed parries so you’re somewhat punished for spamming it thoughtlessly.

[image] Harridas: Whatever Fatshark’s vision of this weapon is, I think it’s wack. I feel like it was supposed to be able to be both the empire 1h sword and 1h hammer combined into one. To be used as either a moderately agile, moderately damaging weapon or as a safety bonk stick. And then it has a million redundant blessings so that even with the old gacha loot you were still fairly likely to end up with something that would tick those boxes. [image] Effigy: Honestly, having a short cooldown between parries would probably be reasonable. My problem with nerfing the parry on the dclaw is that doing so just makes the dueling sword better by comparison again. Feels like there should be some more thought beyond “nerf this because its spammable.”

[image] jerrooo: blessing that gives a bonus on perfect parry. I still don’t know why Fatshark refuses to give the weapon any of the multitudes of “on (perfect) block” and “on hitting special action attack” blessings in the game. This is pretty much the only weapon you want to use the special attack and do “blocks” constantly. [image] BongoSkaggs: My problem with nerfing the parry on the dclaw is that doing so just makes the dueling sword better by comparison again. Feels like there should be some more thought beyond “nerf this because its spammable.” DS parry is terrible as there’s a delay on it and doesn’t seem to be as spammable. I never see anyone use it.

That’s more the other moves being fairly shite even if the parry wasn’t so strong. Way more point to move up to a crusher and then hopefully parry his bunt than ever spam overheads into it. And then its good on everything else. I dunno if the game really needs to have a worse heavy sword, but if it does the parry needs to be relevant since its the only thing keeping it competitive. Since for heavy (especially heavy), light and push stabbing the heavy sword is just the same thing but better. I think finesse scaling might favor d claw slightly, which isn’t useless with crits affecting ADMs like most blade weapons, but its still so little. So the parry comes in.

Parry feels far too easy right now (as a survival tool)

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Harridas October 20, 2026, 11:15am 60

I’m always reminded of Fatshark buffing devil’s claw at one point describing it as:

Whatever Fatshark’s vision of this weapon is, I think it’s wack. The weapon’s entire gimmick requires you to give up opportunity for crowd control.

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Parry feels far too easy right now (as a survival tool)

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