Meta Careers, power creep, all making this boring to play

Ye just tested it again. Nope the backstab bonus only applies for your normal weapon damage. Meaning the ult dmg does not get multiplied at all while it does with the headshot multiplier.

Completely forgot about it but as it turns out the strength pot is a bit stronger than 15% dmg. Granted if your teammate carries one that’s going to be a oneshot for sure. How and where talent power bonuses are applied are unknown to me but in my testing they worked just like equipment bonuses.

Agreed but the shade sure is one of the worst cases of the power creep. Anyway I’m going to shut up about it unless necessary.

BTW:
This is what you get if you have a grim instead of a pot and don’t headshot with the same loadout as above:
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well yeah you don’t carry the grim, but you still take the talent for the 1 shot, I can grab my friend in here if you want, he is the one that figured out the 1 shot, he said 20% chaos, grim, pot, shrap, is a 1 shot with daggers using backstab, maybe he is doing something im not thinking of? Im not really sure but i’ve seen it in action.

To be fair tho, bosses are a joke anyway. Salty with his new pistols can chunk around 50% of their HP in a single burst now with concoction trait and shrapnel. Meanwhile, HM can solo bosses with hagbane and her ULT plus dodge distance means she never even gets touched. I think it’s 15-18 seconds to solo kill with hagbane. Any decent player is just gonna dodge dance them anyway. Normally a patrol is more dangerous than a boss to most QP groups I’ve seen. I’ll have to try out shade some more, as I said, I hardly use her and don’t really care for the class.

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If this is the case, you’re playing wrong, I top kill/damage almost every game and my allies cant hit ambients before I shoot them

Then your allies suck, sorry to break it to you, but if you want to get into a pissing contest we can. Killing ambient mobs means nothing really, you should prolly have every ambient SV kill on the map, unless you play with a zealot or slayer, but killing ambient mobs isn’t really impactful gameplay, how hard is it to shoot an ambient mob? Any chimp could do it, its not a staple of being a huntsman. WS could for example kill every ambient SV without issue. Killing ambients shouldn’t net you top anything but maybe elite kills.

I surely have played with zealots and slayers before, they just tend to get in the way more and I can still beat them. hordes and bosses take a big chunk too when I can get 25 shots off for free. Anything in between hordes is mostly gonna die to me except cw when my active is down. It’s the least passive career imo, I’m always shooting or attacking and always have ammo to do so, unlike situations where it’s better to watch a teammates back who’s burning or horde or something. I know you play huntsman too but clinging to the longbow doesn’t go as far as it used to.

That entire statement just proved my point. Sure teammates get in the way of shots, its an annoyance, but both slayer and zealot can 1 to 2 shot any armored unit in the game, same for shade if using active anyway. Zealot 5 stacks 10% chaos, 2 shots CWs with a crit, 1 shot overheads SVs with A+F charged attack baseline, 1 hits berserkers, 1 hits maulers with 3rd LMB. Slayer, 1 hit pick kills CWs with 30% chaos/armor, 1 hit overheads SV with what 10% armor? Unless you position yourself perfectly for waves so they funnel and you nuke them from range (a perfectly acceptable strat), they should still be out killing you. I can go into any QP for example and green circle everything as huntsman, play 1 game with competent people and I can hold my own but not shine like zealot, slayer, WS, Shade. Huntsman is “fine” but compared to certain classes he is rubbish, assuming we are talking about people on the same skill level. I don’t play elf for 1 reason, its a joke a crutch, its easy and makes the game even easier than it already is without being fun, zealot at least is kind of amusing cause running a whole map at 5% hp (sans white health) is kinda fun, but its the same deal. I mean HS needs BPs to 1 shot every special, Zealot doesn’t and can just BoP body everything from ranged while being a melee monster, why play cuntsman at all?

The point of this is not that huntsman is bad, huntsman is pretty well balanced, but a lot of classes are worse (RV, IB, FK) a ton are also just way way way better (Shade, WS, Zealot, WHC, BW)

I don’t really compare skill because almost no one I play with in qp are that good but being able to kill everything with relative ease from a distance and without worrying about ammo is more fun imo compared to melee heavy careers. And why do you think WS is “meta”? lesser ammo sustain, less raw power, no skill active, easy learning curve?

Because 2 shots on a boss with hagbane is full barrage stacks, you kill it faster than HS by a mile, its not as good as BoP or shade but it gets the job done, easy wave clear, easy patrol clear with a str pot, and elf has the best variety of melee options in the game on top of static ammo regen on WS, so you never run out of ammo and have access to the best melee weapons in game?

If you’re running hagbane on WS, you’re nerfing yourself. WS with longbow is one of the best special/elite eliminators in the game. Still, you can build HS to body shot SV, WS can’t do this without losing out on everything else. Not even sure if you can. But you can build the WS to 1 shot nearly everything with headshot breakpoints and her headshot talent. Coming from that specialised build on the WS to the HS, made HS feel easier. Will agree that I prefer the WS melee weapons though.

I dunno if I agree with that, you just fill a different role.

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Sorry to interrupt, but what is “HS”?

Huntsman

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troll hp got buffed recently?
afrer that regen tweaks

did it?

Here’s my secret, I play whatever I want to because it’s fun and don’t pay attention to meta. If my class is underperforming or whatever it just adds to the challenge. Just have fun slaughtering.

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Y, 1800 now

So? unless I’m doing something wrong, I can kill a legend rat ogre in 23 seconds as huntsman with conc vs 33 seconds with hagbane barrage and str pot. “Best melee weapons” may still be true but the disparity has shrunk a lot since the ubersreik weapons.

Yeah, HS still suffers a bit in melee tho, and in regard to legend players I suppose static ammo regen vs headshot regen is basically irrelevant but it is easier to stay topped on elf since you have to do literally nothing. Trueflight is pretty meme tastic as well.