Some Havoc 40 players are joining lower lobbies and jumping out at deployment or on deployment screen, crippling the lobbies and making it so people cannot progress in havoc 2.0. It’s bad enough we’re facing a library of game ending bugs leading to demotions, but THIS needs addressing NOW!!!
I’ve had 10 this week so far (and it’s only Wednesday) of these trolling a$$hats. You made them safe at 40 so they can do it without any penalty to them.
An actual elite player would just join a match and play, so ALL of you doing this troll with the lobbies, you know who you are, are not “elite”, you’re just scum ruining the game.
(In before one of them comes in here to justify and dismiss hoping FS let them ruin it for longer.)
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Yes bring back demotion! Removing it certainly brought what was expected: bad player agency. I was very contempt with the demotion system prior to this state as some might remember, but since the change dropped Havoc became Auric 2.0. Doesn’t matter if you get a full group in 2mins if 2mins after mission start you are one to three players short.
I am currently working to get a build together to solo Havoc, that is how bad it has become.
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this is the typical be carefull what you wish for scenario
the community asked to do something about derank, and now the players are split between the level 40s who play casually and can afford trolling and the poor 39 - that are still playing the ranked game and are trapped in elo hell
not to mention the death of overall quality of players, if the best players don’t need to play to keep their rank all you are left in the draft are the casuals
i havn’t forsee this but my gut told me right away that nerfing the derank system was a bad idea
but the reality was that in those two weeks the derank system even if it was toxic was a system that worked
cuddling players leads to death of a game, because gamers are not rewarded by keeping it alive
its this everyone gets a medal mentality that plagued the west, the death of competition, which is getting rejected by human nature itself
if what we do has no value there is no point investing our time to keep the game alive
the derank system should be hursher than it was in those two weeks by the way, it should show your actual assignment rank instead of your highest completed mission last week
that highest completed mission rank that shows up your name has 0 significance and should be removed, and changed with your assignment level
typical Fatshark having great ideas and then ruining them 2 weeks later after listening the crybabies
shroud zealot with duelling sword is your best bet
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Yep everything I’ve heard surrounding Havoc just sounded like a bad idea and player suggested adjustment seems to have its own consequence in not predicting… Other players.
Went from theoretical discussions on scoreboards toxicity to actual game mode finding a new way to create it.
Still have no idea where Havoc will end up but a reminder it is an experimental mode and in no way should be balanced around it but should be balanced within first.
Its creating more work in policing at least by new posts dropping into threads such as this and prior.
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the best advice to solve this is to NOT hire level 40 players, this way you are sure your team mates are doing their best
but with the scarcity of the players its easier said than done
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Unhinged people asking for bringing back demotion instead of removing it at all ranks so there’s no point for trolls to throw lower ranks’ games. Literally no point in this system.
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Report these people. If they do it consistently (and not just for some IRL reason once), FS will see the pattern on their end.
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Gigasweat game mode and deranking ladder wholly innappropriate to a coop PvE game leads to dumb behavior, devs for some reason shocked, other players draw great inferences to the fall of western civilization from idiots in a videogame, news at 11.
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The people who design this type of stuff at Fatshark are generally very incapable. Remember they also added Auric Storm Survivor into the game which encouraged bad players to join auric maelstroms en masse to then disconnect when they die, degrading matchmaking quality heavily. Who coulda seen it coming?
Fatshark just can’t comprehend the “what will people do if…” hypothetical. They consistently fail this.
This is all made funnier by how the random mission select is often defended by how Fatshark supposedly meticulously plans out their matchmaking dynamics and apparently not being able to pick the mission you want is a good thing actually because Fatshark used their 200 IQ points to determine it would degrade matchmaking. Totally the case!
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Punishing everyone who got to 40 because there are a small number of douchebags is a terrible idea. It’s trivial for Fatshark to track people who leave Havoc (if they want to care) and there’s already a built-in system for reporting people. Use it.
I don’t know if different regions have different cultural stuff going on that makes this more or less likely (though Fatshark absolutely could have this data). Personally I have never seen this. So far, after 150+ Havoc games I’ve only had 2 people ever leave (and they both went down early and quit).
FWIW, I think deranking should be removed entirely.
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I agree the derank is stupid to begin with at this point, but they seem to really really want to keep it.
If Fatshark really wants to keep deranking: Just make a checkbox that says
- Ranked Havoc
- Unranked Havoc
Ranked would risk assignment rank for everyone. Unranked doesn’t risk it, but does not advance rank either. There, now you can play for fun at your preferred assignment and you still can’t grief in low level missions without losing your own rank. Everyone is happy, while the concept of deranking if you can’t consistently beat your Havoc assignment level is still in, which seems to be what they want. I only thought about this for like 5 minutes, maybe there’s an obvious issue with this but idk I’m not coming up with anything.
Immeasurably complex for sure though
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yes, strawhat said there were good reasons WHY they couldn’t remove it… no further explanation. Wish they’d elaborate on that…
The rule should have been “fix the buggy mess before making any system penalising players.”
This brings back the original problem where higher ranked people won’t join lower ranked games to help, since its not worth the risk.
It’s really not clear there is a problem here to solve. I feel bad for OP, but it’s extremely different from the experience of me and everyone I play with. Again, i dunno if different regions have different problems. Wouldn’t be surprising if that was the case. Maybe they are unlucky to be in a region/timezone that happens to harber a bunch of douchebags. Only Fatshark knows.
And the comedy value is… me and most everyone I play with, have this kind of experience all too often. The trolling a$$es are just a kick while yer down at this stage though. But I’m addicted lol.
I don’t wanna see legit lvl40s punished in any way. The only way to stop this is remove derank I guess. But as stated… it cannot be removed… cos reasons… woooowooOOOOOooooOoOOoOooooo (insert Farnsworth).
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Nah if I come and solo I am going bulldozer, not chicken.
right, but unfortunally its the only build that allow you solo twins
This is only a problem for people who are at high ranks and want to play lower rank “for casual fun”. Half of the people creating the current mess. Lower ranks want their teams be filled with similar ranked ppl. If you run one level lower or higher doesn’t matter if your team fits ( as you will probably run multiple missions).