So, I exclusively play Havoc with randoms. Sometimes really good people come in, but the more common situation is a Havoc 40 with at least one or two people at 30 and below. You’re lucky if you get one zealot running Chorus if it isn’t you.
If you’re playing with people who have done it before and all using meta, sure, the winrate goes up. That’s pretty close to a premade at that point.
I would never disgrace myself by playing book outside of meme ruins with pubs. Total gold toughness death.
I don’t mind them having these little short maps. I just think they really should have launched around 3 or so in short order so they had about enough for them to be their own thing.
As far as Special Assignments go, yeah, that needs updates too. Or, if they abandoned that idea, then the Orthus Offensive should be incorporated either into the main missions or trimmed down to become an Operation itself.
When they first announced Clandestium Gloriana, and teased that it involved specific named NPCs (Swagger), I thought it would be a Special Assignment, since only the Special Assignment had done that up to that point. And now the same thing with Dark Communion. It makes me wonder if these were intended for SAs but switched over to regular maps.
I remember that whole first year or so, they kept putting out messages saying they were assessing their ability to actually meet their own plans due to their production speed. This might well have been a case where the constraints of reality derailed a cool idea and the plan of putting out 3-4 Special Assignments per year alongside all the rest of it (regular maps, weapons, crafting rework, etc.) just wasn’t feasible with their output level.
Psyker is far more degenerate than gold toughness, ngl.
Yes, because some of them have spent 5k hours or more in the game. No developer balances their game around skill level at that number of hours. People at that amount hours who demand changes in their favor get increasingly egotistical lately, asking for nerfs to only builds the majority can clear Havoc with, just because they want their time to shine at the expense of everyone else.
I might not have 70% winrate in Havoc, but I’ve been rank 40 every week since release. I’ve played some less meta builds like Crusher on Zealot, or las pistol Vet. And I even had Ogryn clears, even though I’m not a good Ogryn player.
And even though I’m not that 1%, I’m actually in the minority of high level players too, and I think developers are mental with the way how they focus on endgame content most people don’t play two updates in a row.
Crusher is S tier tho
I’ve watched “top” streamers play Darktide. Nobody has anywhere close to a 70% win rate playing true pubs where they aren’t waiting all day for ideal players, and using a variety of builds. It just doesn’t happen. Havoc 40 is pretty easy if everyone is good and using at least alright builds, and I’m fine with it getting harder. I mean, the entire point of the numbered ranking system is that Fatshark should be able to add an arbitrarily high amount of ranks to it.
But yeah, Havoc 40 is not an objectively easy mode to carry people in. It’s categorically different than Auric. Dornlvanotic does not have a 70% win rate playing true pubs using whatever builds. If he is adamant about this, show me the results. Do the 8 hour Havoc stream, you wouldn’t be the first.
Yeah yeah, I know.
Any weapon that is not complete dog water is S-tier in the eyes of good players these days, and requires no changes.
The only non hyper-mobile weapon the crusher is worse than on zealot is the relic blades…
Dorn is good though, it’s possible he has 70% winrate. He’s a good player, I’ve seen his clears with other players on YT. But just like most people doing them, he has a very warped vision of what the game should be.
To these types of players picking strong abilities is autowin, even though it’s never been the case. Not in auric, not in Havoc.
I’ve seen him play. He’s not categorically better than any of the other top players.
Good players exaggerate all the time. He definitely does not have a 70% win rate playing Havoc 40 with middling to low tier builds letting just about anybody in, and neither does anyone else.
And? 90% play with either a knife or a duelling sword, and many fail even while running them. Sorry you’re not impressed, but a weapon I don’t see in every other match I consider a flavor pick.
I’ve finished Havoc with both Thunder Hammer and Crusher several times. Crusher requires impact blessings and good teammates, because of lower damage on average. Or you can run two damage blessings and completely forfeit the insane staggers to elites on every type of attack. Calling it an S-tier weapon on par with the top picks is a bit of stretch.
Sorry you’re not impressed I guess.
i can fully back up the 70% winrate, it’s probably higher tbh. out of everyone i have seen play this game, and this isn’t glazing this is just fact, he is one of the top 10 best players. what makes it actually impressive is he doesn’t use crutches like DS4, flamer, purge staff or smite.
crusher requires neither good teammates nor impact blessings, as someone who has clutched pub auric damnation matches with it while i was still learning the game. it is 100% an S tier weapon assuming you can either learn the weapon combos or understand that you are slower with it, but can still play the game normally and kill even bosses with little real effort
Being good a weapon you can do well with doesn’t make it an S-tier. It has clear limitations in many cases, and we’re talking about Havoc here, not normal games. I’ve clutched with the most unconventional weapons in normal games, so? And what’s even clutching to you? Just surviving until you revive people? You can do it with any weapon in the game.
And even in theory, if some players can solo an auric game with a weapon, that makes it automatically an S-tier on par with the two most popular options? Sure, you can have that opinion, I guess.
while i was still learning the game
Weird flex. Even if you did, most players don’t even run this weapon in normal games, let alone Havoc.
You guys live in your own bubble of talented player groups. You’re defensive about the wrong things in this discussion.
bubble of talented player groups? dude, i am AGGRESSIVELY MID at this game. the only reason i know who any of the actually good players are is because i spent a month harassing people in maincord when i first got into the game. you are focusing on the wrong things entirely and ignoring factual information about multiple things including the crusher’s crowd control capability, which is half the reason it’s S tier lmao
you are focusing on the wrong things entirely
I’m not the one who started this discussion about Crusher’s capabilities, it was your friend. If you don’t want to discuss it, don’t challenge it.
factual information
Factual information of “if you’re good, this weapon is an S-tier”.
How TF am I ignoring it’s crowd control if I mentioned it in previous posts? It has worse damage against many targets than S-tier picks, and it loses a lot of crowd control if you give up impact blessings. Doesn’t stagger Crushers anymore, doesn’t stagger Ragers and Maulers as effortlessly with any attack. Even with Thrust and Slaughterer, it has way less damage and flexibility that some other weapons have. So basically not running additional impact you’re trading one of the main features of the weapon (insane stagger values) for just decent damage compared to other weapons. That was my point.
Not to mention we were DISCUSSING HAVOC, and you bring in your “in auric games”…
half the reason it’s S tier lmao
That tier list must be very loaded then.
If it makes you sleep better at night, let it be an S-tier weapon.
I’ve seen the gameplay with my own eyes, and I don’t really care what his gaming buddies think. He makes the same kind of foibles with the same kind of frequency other top players make. In his most recent uploaded runs, there are multiple instances where the run would have been over if he were playing with uncurated randoms. So, no. I don’t believe the 70% line for a second.
Also, this game doesn’t have the kind of skill gap the people who have 5000+ hours would like to believe. It’s high for a PVE game, but it’s not even remotely close to the world of actual competitive games.
How I see havoc is that it needs a lot more teamwork than Aurics. Like I said before, you can carry Aurics with almost any build. But it’s impossible to carry games alone on havocs higher than 35. If someone gets downed, everyone needs to react fast and not focus on their own game.
I have no friends who play Darktide on same level, so I am always playing havoc with randoms. But I try to adjust my playing, taking the operative and the build that is needed for the team. Not stubbornly playing the build and operative I want. If I want to do that I play Aurics. I have cleared havoc 40’s with every operative and most of them with few different builds. I guess, I enjoy the team play aspect more than solo playing.
I understand that havoc is not for everyone but I don’t understand why someone hates it if they don’t even play it?
i did play it but
this applies more than anything.
as much as i practised 1000 jumps bridge to rail on dm6 in quake 3 for weeks and months, i play to perfect myself first and foremost.
only character i enjoy truly is ogryn, so combine those things and it should explain why i dont enjoy havoc.
has usually people “noping” out ogryn from the start, which honestly i dont bother with anymore for even one second.
if people are lucky books and bubbles are the hot 
for now and may even compensate lacking reflexes in the process, good for them.
personally i got back to quake 3 level twitch recently (which lay dormant for 15 years) thanks to pushing myself with karsolas and the most effective ogryn build i can go with based on physical skill.
something i couldn’t play freely in havoc as it is right now.
getting through havoc cause some domes and yellow toughness was up doesnt even compare to going ape when things go south in auric or HISTG.
personal preference.
darktide is my metric of how much “quake” i got left in me at 45.
gonna be interesting in 10 years from now 