Hello. I post here only rarely, and indeed haven’t been playing dark tide much in the last 3 months or so, but I have been a player since the second round of beta. Reading some of the discussion around the recent (and sorely needed) balance update, a particular dynamic crystallised in my mind. Some…

If you think Fatshark makes ANY balance decisions around Havoc, you are sorely mistaken. Fatshark despises their endgame community. Tryhards and players with high hour counts don’t spend any more money so their current model is just constantly poop out “new” content to bait new purchases of the ga…

there’s the added angle that i want to quickplay because the entire game is built around quickplay, but the highest quickplay difficulty is getting powercreeped because of the issues OP outlined, and at this point it’s way too easy for almost anyone with over 20 hours in the game it really would be…

The game only begins in havoc, aurics and below are so overbalanced that any mechanic or skill check is just completely ignored with how op every class is right now. Havoc 40 difficulty is from the front liner holding the wave in the worst spots, or a bad rng. Other than that havoc 40 is pretty eas…

For all the havoc haters here is the secret to get to havoc 40. Everytime you die it’s your own fault,(not your team mate or the map or even the rng). Ask yourself what you could have done better to survive. That’s it

The funny thing about those claiming that Havoc is the root cause of the balance problems is that most of the problems already existed prior to Havoc being in the game.

[image] fbolduc: why not balance against Havoc would ruin the game

P13 was a step in power creep, but the patch havoc was introduced into the game was the patch they gigabuffed ogryn, clearly balancing this class around h40. Every other release and rebalance after this was matching this incredibly high dps and easy toughness, multiple damage resist theme. Fatshark…

And despite this some Darktiders are still complaining about Ogryn being “weak”. Even after giving the class 50% DR for free. [image] 'Beyond the Hive' free update, out now! Patch 1.11.0 & Expeditions! Base Passive Dev Note: Although his movement is a bit clumsy, he tries his best, and should …

I think the buffs that came to the Ogryn was more so dictated from the Ogryn at the time being percieved as much weaker than the other classes. And FS fearing nerfs, buffed the class to “equality”

[image] Harridas: some Darktiders are still complaining about Ogryn being snivelers that should be cast into the warp. if anything fatshark should use the momentum, after all the sissies can only review bomb once, and dial it all back to the days of C I VI and I II V E G as the be all, end a…

Wouldn't you know it: Havoc

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Harridas May 16, 2026, 11:12am 13

And despite this some Darktiders are still complaining about Ogryn being “weak”. Even after giving the class 50% DR for free.

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Wouldn't you know it: Havoc

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