Misunderstood what you meant.
You will seldom find a more aggressive player than me, yet I was struggling to maintain those numbers, altho rotten had prolly do a lot with that.
Following your chain of thought, one could argue about 10s being even more important, given how you basicly lose 5s to -75% threat playing in a team.
Ive never seen you play but I will speak from having played the build myself and watched a.a play it many times.
For fatmangus it’s not just about being aggressive and up front. If you watch a.a (the author of the build) play it you’ll see that he is quite active about sprinting through the map from enemy to enemy, actively running past gunner fire, sliding and dodging trash poxwalkers just via natural reflexes and all of these things give him stacks without him even trying.
In short, the more your game looks like a true solo, the less you need the 10sec modifier. You may play aggressively Phra (ill take ur word for it), but your point about the 10s cooldown being mandatory depends on things like playing with teammates who turn off enemies, stagger everything, or force aggro switches.
For this reason Fatmangus is (on top of being the best user of the 6s cooldown IJ) hands down, the best zealot-specific build for soloing, or solo carrying 3 not so good teammates (e.g. brought meta but can’t take aggro without dying), or for runs where teammates arent running taunt/bubble/shout etc. In scenarios where you’re playing a 4-man deathball or teammates constantly take pressure off of you, just bring martyrdom relic blade, you’re not taking any damage anyway.
Fully agree with all that.
Fatmangus is the best solo (even if in a team) build, I wish all the pugs would run it instead DS flamer chorusbot. It is less useful when you play with good players, as you do lose a considerable chunk of dmg compared to martyrdom. It might be a server thing, but the chances that you get to pug without any of the “crutches” on EU, is slim to none.
Never meant anything else, only that people love to take words out of context when they get triggered by my bluntness.
I mourn the loss of this mod. I doubt I can maintain a >10 havoc 40 winstreak though! I need to git gud.
Thinking about it, my playstyle clashes with as well indeed. By aggro I meant mostly melee, I shoot less than just about anyone. However, I rarely run ahead of my team, instead playing rear guard more often, cleaning up things not taken care of rather.
Right. I mean that makes sense and it’s why I advocate the view that uptime (as provided by the Uptime mod) isn’t a perfect indicator of how useful talents are. A better mod would calculate the correlation between # aggroed enemies within 20m radius (or an equivalent & relevant statistic, like # melee slots taken, or # damage taken) with the talent uptime/stack count within a 30s window. It would help “regularize” comparisons under a common denominator.
Yeah people below already summed up the bonus’s of IJ, but everyone just looks at IJ’s “inconsistent” stack amount/ “uptime” like Phra and actually have no understanding of what makes things good. It literally can be tuned to when/how you want it if you think about them, and at worse with brain off playing the game it is averaging +10-15% dmg increase plus attack speed, plus dodge buffs etc lol.
I find it funny you call me elitist when I don’t slam players I think who are earlier along their learning cycle like you consistently do in maincord. Bro I don’t know you I can’t hate your ass, I don’t know you, that is a principle I hold, but I can hate and call out your crappy attitude and the way you present yourself in the various spaces we both inhabit. You consistently draw criticism and change nothing about yourself which leads me to believe you purposely act this way out of ego and spite.
This is fine, I have played with you multiple times in Newtype lobbies, random 40 pubs, and past Aurics, the difference is I remember and don’t pull stuff out of my tuchus and change the way I think or act depending on how it fits my argument at the time. It is fine you don’t remember, but every single time you either typed some dumb stuff, or did some dumb stuff. I normally wouldn’t care but the way you conduct yourself online is annoying.
I said you are an average or above average player “mediocre” if you want it put in a more articulated fashion to your immense intelligence. The point wasn’t him being just a “better” player than you, or to call in to question your skill level, it was to show you how you never back down or admit to being wrong. You are kenough to play Havoc 40, but consistently I see you running meta slave stuff, which is fine. It has been awhile since the last time I played with you but at that time your fundamentals were very average as stated before. I am not trying to dunk on you for your skill, I play with some of the best Darktide players there are and it is humbling, but the way you conduct yourself and act around other players leads me to believe you huff your own farts.
I love how you are shifting, it has nothing to do with the circumstances, it has to do how you acted when called out. You are missing the entire point and clearly being disingenuous. You are not responding to any of my direct criticisms you are just waffling.
Are you just not as intelligent as you think your are? Can you not read? Please direct quote me to the comment I made where I said you “call people names” ?? I used the words belittle , degrade and insult, which I provided a few (of hundreds) of screenshots on this matter, if you like I can just post those for hours.
IJ isn’t dogshit and you are propagating an opinion that is based on very poor understanding of how to track uptime/use cases. For example would you say Zealots Until death is a very bad ability because on average you may only have 3 or so use cases in a match where it procs? Me thinks that is very bad uptime! Do you not understand that if you measure something that has multiple use cases and timing windows outside of Light switch on good, light switch off bad? Do you make the argument Arbies True Grit is bad because a good player just shouldn’t get hit? Like you are making a claim on a single part of how to track the strength of something, and making an opinion to sound intelligent. Just read jerro’s comment as he explains it exactly how I would. I find it infuriating you use the word “inconsistent” when you get all of the stacks from playing the game.
Once again where in my comment did I say you said this, you literally dodged the entire point of me calling you out with receipts to just random stuff you could pick at. I never said you said the build is bad, you said IJ is bad, and that fatmangus crutches on stealth, then you switched it up and have said fury is…// never mind man you clearly are not engaging with anything laid out lol, so much for your “being smarter than most” comment.
You don’t know how Old Duelist worked, you don’t know how IJ works or why it is good, you don’t know anything about valuing certain nodes over others and why “Riposte comments, Arbie Maul, Soulguilt scan etc I legit found those examples in 20 minutes of looking and typing and could find many more.
SO PLEASE for the LAST TIME can you respond to ANYTHING I said with out being a massive baby and engage with the substance and random things in-between you absolute coward. I legit came here with so many recipts and you just hit me with the →
“Ima runaway because I can’t handle honesty”
In the great words of Phra, the truth will always prevail.
The Phrafiles will continue my dood, maybe try to think about what you post from now on as there is a record, a Book of Grudges if you will, The book of Phra.
dats rly it again.
Oh, how useful it would be for me to be able to use two types of melee weapons in a single mission: DS4 against Rotten Armour and a Relic Blade against the Moebian 21
Fascinating how the human brain works, eager to make up things in retrospect to justify your deep seated hatred. You can dislike me for who I am, don’t need to make up imaginary reasons for.
I have never in my life belittled anyone for learning the game, ever. On the contrary, I help wherever I can, and answer all their questions to the best of my knowledge. However, if you act like a clown, you will be made fun of. I’m sure you have no idea what I’m talking about.
Since you’ve failed to answer my question to provide evidence where I present my opinion as a fact despite knowing very little about a topic, again, apart from “You suck and don’t understand basic mechanics, because I said so”, I’m gonna have to end this conversation here, toodles!
No the second one is your active stacks. The other one are the stacks that slowly build in the background waiting to be activated.
I disagree.
There is no point competing for the contested melee role anymore.
Instead, go for the holy-man role. Give the Zealot “spiritual” blitzes instead of grenades. Double-down on the anti-corruption and even make his mere presence harm infested enemies.
Not sure if this was discussed here, but could we pretty please REMOVE Disdain, or move it to a side, so it can be rightfully forgotten? It’s a pure talent point tax on many builds, and just gets in the way of build variety.
you might have forgotten that it was changed with this latest version of the tree to not be every OTHER hit, but now works on every hit, so in the worst case it is +5-10% more damage for melee, and best case its a consistent 20-25% damage every single hit, which is double how effective it was for most of its existence
Using the mk2 relic, the average seems to be 50% uptime with 2 average stacks, I much rather grab anointed if possible.
It is best used with evis15 and tickle hammer, would consider whatever for the rest.
this just a bias talent trying to force some veteran talent on zealot just to do some weird double barrel shotgun build
if they wanted do something similar they should have checked bounty hunter talents from vt2 but even then it just kinda not fitting well
If flame nade and flashbang went the way of the dinosaur I wouldn’t shed a tear. Esp if it was replaced by something more thematic. Any ideas?
rip and tear zealot, until it is done