# You can tell us about the skill tree and the announced Xbox release any time, Fatshark **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 24, 2023, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572 "2023-08-24T13:49:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![rev0x85](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/rev0x85/32/55027_2.png) [@rev0x85](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/rev0x85)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572/21 "2023-08-24T21:22:20Z")
What does Crossplay entail? **On the MS Store and Xbox Series X|S: Players can matchmake, add friends, and join players from all supported networks (Steam and XBL), in our Cross-Network Servers.** Cross Progression/ Commerce **Warhammer 40,000: Darktide supports Xbox Play Anywhere (XPA)**. šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø šŸ«‚ ---
**Author:** ![AsukasHeadphones](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/asukasheadphones/32/80926_2.png) [@AsukasHeadphones](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/AsukasHeadphones)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572/22 "2023-08-24T21:23:35Z")
> [@Mayson](#): > > But donā€™t think this attracts the same crowd as Darktide does, it does not. What crowd would that be? I thought we were all Warhammer enjoyers here šŸ¤” ---
**Author:** ![rev0x85](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/rev0x85/32/55027_2.png) [@rev0x85](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/rev0x85)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572/23 "2023-08-24T21:29:38Z")
Woooou broā€¦ Do u speak of SM2??? If yes, cmon man, u canā€™t be serious about thatā€¦ People waiting for years for this sequelā€¦ The return of Titusā€¦ And what I have seen so far looks very well imoā€¦ Canā€™t wait for that gameā€¦ 2 great WH40K gamesā€¦ Its like we get Christmas and Easter at once šŸ˜„ ---
**Author:** ![Mayson](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/mayson/32/84187_2.png) [@Mayson](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Mayson)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572/24 "2023-08-24T21:30:48Z")
> [@AsukasHeadphones](#): > > > [@Mayson](#): > > > > But donā€™t think this attracts the same crowd as Darktide does, it does not. > > What crowd would that be? I thought we were all Warhammer enjoyers here šŸ¤” No. Weā€™re one third masochists. A second third sadists. And the third third is trolls. One group will enjoy Space Marine 2. The rest of us cannot find the refined experience there that is granted to us by the glorious piece of spaghetti code called Darktide. ---
**Author:** ![derpherp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@derpherp](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/derpherp)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572/25 "2023-08-24T21:36:17Z")
> [@AsukasHeadphones](#): > > Yeah the next few months are going to be insane. You have Starfield coming out. Cyberpunk. Lies of P. Space Marine 2, which by the way looks super epic: Probably another reason that the xbox launch isnā€™t the actual soft relaunch. I think they decided to just get the xbox launch out the door and save a huge content dump for the true soft relaunch. ---
**Author:** ![AsukasHeadphones](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/asukasheadphones/32/80926_2.png) [@AsukasHeadphones](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/AsukasHeadphones)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572/26 "2023-08-24T21:41:17Z")
> [@derpherp](#): > > I think they decided to just get the xbox launch out the door and save a huge content dump for the true soft relaunch. Maybe. Or maybe thereā€™s more than just the skill tree. I donā€™t want to hype myself over this game, but maybe theyā€™re saving some pleasant surprises for us in order to compete for the Xbox player base. ---
**Author:** ![FASAStampede](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/fasastampede/32/59625_2.png) [@FASAStampede](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/FASAStampede)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572/27 "2023-08-24T22:00:50Z")
Ehmā€¦ As in, the people that still stick around in the 40K coop shooter with hordes of enemies arenā€™t going to go nuts for the long-awaited 40K shooter with coop already confirmed, that also happens to revolve around hordes of enemies? Mhmā€¦ Just a personal perspective here - I got nearly 800 hours in DT. I got nearly 900 in SM due to the janky PvP MP and the 8 (12?) levels of coop. If SM2 is anywhere decent, come with coop and, Emprah forbid, has PvPā€¦ DT has no chance. Yeah yeah, DT is a tide game, yes. But that alone is not enough to equal the heaps of silly nonsense and poor delivery by FS. Tide or no tide, when faced with the sheer choice of playing the SM2 campaign again with the pals, or doing another frigginā€™ Hi5STG/Auric I didnā€™t pickā€¦ Iā€™ma go with the SM2 campaign thereā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![FASAStampede](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/fasastampede/32/59625_2.png) [@FASAStampede](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/FASAStampede)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572/28 "2023-08-24T22:01:59Z")
Here. I hope we can all agree Skill Up is a more than decent cc. And he does get into DT a bit as a mirror for SM2. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Z_Hl4pPOjx0/maxresdefault.jpg "So far, Space Marine 2 absolutely rules (Hands-on impressions)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_Hl4pPOjx0) ---
**Author:** ![CommanderJ](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/commanderj/32/13959_2.png) [@CommanderJ](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/CommanderJ)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572/29 "2023-08-24T22:07:47Z")
When are the locks and the other player addiction RNG systems going away? ---
**Author:** ![Rainman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Rainman](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Rainman)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572/30 "2023-08-24T22:40:18Z")
and cities skylines 2. o boy o boy ---
**Author:** ![AsukasHeadphones](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/asukasheadphones/32/80926_2.png) [@AsukasHeadphones](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/AsukasHeadphones)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572/31 "2023-08-24T23:41:40Z")
Totally forgot about that. Thereā€™s also Payday 3 too, which is going to be huge. ---
**Author:** ![Mayson](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/mayson/32/84187_2.png) [@Mayson](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Mayson)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572/32 "2023-08-24T23:57:11Z")
> [@FASAStampede](#): > > Ehmā€¦ As in, the people that still stick around in the 40K coop shooter with hordes of enemies arenā€™t going to go nuts for the long-awaited 40K shooter with coop already confirmed, that also happens to revolve around hordes of enemies? > > Mhmā€¦ > > Just a personal perspective here - I got nearly 800 hours in DT. I got nearly 900 in SM due to the janky PvP MP and the 8 (12?) levels of coop. If SM2 is anywhere decent, come with coop and, Emprah forbid, has PvPā€¦ DT has no chance. > > Yeah yeah, DT is a tide game, yes. But that alone is not enough to equal the heaps of silly nonsense and poor delivery by FS. Tide or no tide, when faced with the sheer choice of playing the SM2 campaign again with the pals, or doing another frigginā€™ Hi5STG/Auric I didnā€™t pickā€¦ Iā€™ma go with the SM2 campaign thereā€¦ People say that all the time. Itā€™s an internet thing. ā€œX will kill Y.ā€ Reality is, that most of the time X and Y co-exist, in particular because people just play both or because X and Y attract different target audiences. Sometimes communities split, but that doesnā€™t mean that X or Y must end, either. Just that both truck on with less community than before. ---
**Author:** ![Merdoc](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/merdoc/32/35469_2.png) [@Merdoc](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Merdoc)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 6:00am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572/33 "2023-08-25T06:00:19Z")
Wat. Why. Who thought this was a good idea? A game controller has completely different capabilities than a mouse and keyboard. In this game you need to whip the camera around frequently and make precise shots. You canā€™t balance a game around both input methods. Either the game will be unplayable for consolers or it will be way too easy for PC-gamers. What will they try to even this playing field? Give consoles massive aimbot and DMG resistances? Leave one in the dirt and call it a day? ---
**Author:** ![Eisenfaust](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/eisenfaust/32/64598_2.png) [@Eisenfaust](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Eisenfaust)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572/34 "2023-08-25T08:38:33Z")
console player can play difficulties I-IIIā€¦ That wonā€™t worsen the already abysimal grind at al ^^ ---
**Author:** ![Headhunter](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/headhunter/32/62026_2.png) [@Headhunter](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Headhunter)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572/35 "2023-08-25T08:50:15Z")
Well it looks like with cross play between PC and Xbox it means they are going to leave AI director at PC level. I always assumed Xbox wonā€™t have cross play and therefore AI director would be adjusted, but also aim assist, add quick 180 turn button, different acceleration curve settings etc But the natural thing to do is to add native keyboard and mouse support, which many console games do have. i.e. Apex Legends and Warzone have this. I wondered recently why hordes donā€™t feel as a threat anymore, actually not really a threat as it used to but the ranged enemies feel a bit more tuned up in damage. Almost as if adjusted for console players to play at ranged more. Mouse and keyboard native support is the way forward. Then there is the price. I saw in my retail store they are taking preorders of physical copies for Ā£30 GBP (50 for imperial edition). That is going to be tough sell consider by comparison the bigger game titles recently released cost 50 in the same store like Resident Evil 4, Remnant 2, Jedi survivor, Dead Island 2. ---
**Author:** ![Tzcheese](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/tzcheese/32/53773_2.png) [@Tzcheese](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Tzcheese)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572/36 "2023-08-25T11:29:19Z")
Hereā€™s hoping we can opt out. ---
**Author:** ![hgjw](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/hgjw/32/70947_2.png) [@hgjw](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/hgjw)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572/37 "2023-08-25T12:12:18Z")
![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/5/8/588dcb38b4c11b90707477884d33fc0cecf90319.png) Hah Nope ---
**Author:** ![Tzcheese](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/tzcheese/32/53773_2.png) [@Tzcheese](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Tzcheese)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572/38 "2023-08-25T12:19:21Z")
Crossplay with other PC players is one thing, PC/console is another. Nothing against console players, but itā€™s best for both groups if weā€™re separated. ---
**Author:** ![derpherp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@derpherp](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/derpherp)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572/39 "2023-08-25T12:31:30Z")
Supposedly there isnā€™t much statistical difference between controller and M&K outside of the top tier of a game. Dunno how true that is, but if it is I doubt people below Auric will be able to notice the difference once the newbies have acclimatised. ---
**Author:** ![Tzcheese](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/tzcheese/32/53773_2.png) [@Tzcheese](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Tzcheese)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572/40 "2023-08-25T12:40:23Z")
Iā€™d be interested to see those statistics. My experience suggests otherwise. [Previous page](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/you-can-tell-us-about-the-skill-tree-and-the-announced-xbox-release-any-time-fatshark/82572.md?page=3)