# Worst talent in the game? **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Feedback\ **Created:** [February 15, 2020, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414 "2020-02-15T23:05:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Adelion](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/adelion/32/27128_2.png) [@Adelion](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Adelion)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2020, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414/42 "2020-02-16T17:40:31Z")
Hm, without doing to much testing it might be troublesome to find every single difference. In my Cataclysm tests as well, I found SV and Bestigor overhead being staggered both times (with Bomb Balm and with Fuel to Fire). So for now, the only one I know is the Chaos Warrior Overhead on Cataclysm. For reference my basic set is: - 10 % Chaos on the melee weapon - 10 % Chaos on the charm (?) and 10 % Infantry (which has no influence here) And I tested of course against 5 CW simultaneously to get the full bonus (also you can trigger the overhead quite simply by dodging backwards). If this does not work for some reason, I also have Opportunist on my melee weapon. But so far I have worked under the assumption that properties have no influence on the active skill. Might be interesting to test this myself. There might be other cases where it makes a difference. But with Fuel to the Fire I can basically stagger everything on Cataclysm and also in average get a bit more breathing room. I think I will test if Opportunist has an influence. That result may be interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Perteks](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/perteks/32/21276_2.png) [@Perteks](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Perteks)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2020, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414/43 "2020-02-16T17:59:33Z")
You are sure it was overhead? Because from my tests it shows that you can’t do it even with opportunist on weapon, i spawned just 4 pigs and 1 cw for clear results (critters do count for stacks on fuel for fire) ---
**Author:** ![Adelion](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/adelion/32/27128_2.png) [@Adelion](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Adelion)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2020, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414/44 "2020-02-16T18:14:38Z")
Pretty sure yea (the attack with the axe far over his head while taking two to three steps towards you). But i will confirm it, to be sure. Did you have the +20 % Chaos as well? EDIT: Okay, tested it. I still forgot one thing mentioning. Try to do it with Enhanced Power as well. If that doesn’t work I can add you for a short time on Steam and you can watch me while I do the testing. Shouldnt take longer than 5 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Perteks](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/perteks/32/21276_2.png) [@Perteks](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Perteks)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2020, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414/45 "2020-02-16T18:44:13Z")
Can’t you just record it ? ---
**Author:** ![DeMasked](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a183cd/32.png) [@DeMasked](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/DeMasked)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2020, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414/46 "2020-02-16T19:01:52Z")
I’ve kinda been warming up to Ready for Action. Temp health or damage reduction isn’t the only way to reduce incoming damage. CC also helps and if you go full cooldown reduction it can be rather crazy with how often you can use the ult. I’ll still test the talent while also checking out Quad Hag Bane on Ricochet. edit: also the cc gives damage bonuses from stagger. ---
**Author:** ![Hail\_Wuzzle](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/hail_wuzzle/32/25301_2.png) [@Hail\_Wuzzle](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Hail_Wuzzle)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2020, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414/47 "2020-02-16T19:08:12Z")
I use balm to give team thp almost exclusively. I’ve saved many people from falling with it. Oc does need more love though imo. ---
**Author:** ![xscyther](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/f19dbf/32.png) [@xscyther](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/xscyther)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 3:41am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414/48 "2020-02-17T03:41:57Z")
Burning dregs should keep your current stacks for 10 seconds when it triggers and It’s Hero Time should activate when teammates are disabled too. ---
**Author:** ![alsozara](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/alsozara/32/6944_2.png) [@alsozara](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/alsozara)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 4:56am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414/49 "2020-02-17T04:56:02Z")
If Hero Time activated when you were last man standing it’d be pretty legit ---
**Author:** ![Sleezy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@Sleezy](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Sleezy)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414/50 "2020-02-17T15:36:10Z")
> [@Perteks](#): > > Maim - Just uhh outside of monster, do you even get anything from it ? Counting that rest talents on that row will give you benefit all time even will outshine in situations where you will get that 30% more power This talent works with blunder. Blunder shoots 12 pellets. If the first 4 pellets drop the targets HP, then the next 8 will get the damage boost, for example. It’s the talent that makes Bluntsman OP. ---
**Author:** ![Perteks](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/perteks/32/21276_2.png) [@Perteks](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Perteks)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414/51 "2020-02-17T15:58:17Z")
Oh thats actually nice to know, didn’t think about not counting it as one hit ---
**Author:** ![KaelusVonSestiaf](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/kaelusvonsestiaf/32/23688_2.png) [@KaelusVonSestiaf](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/KaelusVonSestiaf)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414/52 "2020-02-17T17:27:20Z")
> [@Sleezy](#): > > If the first 4 pellets drop the targets HP, then the next 8 will get the damage boost, for example. I suspect that this will only work as host, and not as client. ---
**Author:** ![Sleezy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@Sleezy](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Sleezy)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414/53 "2020-02-17T18:04:02Z")
That’s a very particular suspicion. Test it. ---
**Author:** ![KaelusVonSestiaf](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/kaelusvonsestiaf/32/23688_2.png) [@KaelusVonSestiaf](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/KaelusVonSestiaf)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414/54 "2020-02-17T18:33:40Z")
I have no idea how to test it, but the way Bounty Hunter’s headshot talent works as client leads to me to believe that’s what will happen. ---
**Author:** ![Zoli](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/91b2a8/32.png) [@Zoli](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Zoli)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414/55 "2020-02-17T20:40:46Z")
> [@KaelusVonSestiaf](#): > > I have no idea how to test it, but the way Bounty Hunter’s headshot talent works as client leads to me to believe that’s what will happen. How does it work as client? ---
**Author:** ![KaelusVonSestiaf](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/kaelusvonsestiaf/32/23688_2.png) [@KaelusVonSestiaf](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/KaelusVonSestiaf)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414/56 "2020-02-17T20:52:25Z")
So the talent refunds 40% of your ult cooldown per bullet on a headshot. Normally, this means that against normal enemies, you only get 40% back because the first bullet kills the target, and the second hits a corpse. Against strong targets however, like a monster, both bullets will hit and you’ll get 80% back. As a client, however, no matter how good your connection is, you will ALWAYS register that both bullets hit the intended target before the host tells you the target is dead. The bullets hit nigh instantaneously from each other, and no matter how good your ping is the delay will be enough for your client to register that both bullets hit a living target. Always. The result is that, since the client always sees that both bullets hit the target, the client will _always get 80% of their ult back, no matter how weak the target they hit is_. To summarize, and to explain why I think > [@KaelusVonSestiaf](#): > > > If the first 4 pellets drop the targets HP, then the next 8 will get the damage boost, for example. > > I suspect that this will only work as host, and not as client. The client will always register all bullets hitting the target in the state that the target was before the shot was fired, because the bullets land faster than the time it takes for the host to tell the client about the effect of the first bullet. ---
**Author:** ![Perteks](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/perteks/32/21276_2.png) [@Perteks](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Perteks)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414/57 "2020-02-17T20:59:15Z")
Double shooted bullets have some cleave, and they can hit multiple targets if both score headshot in any cleaved way both account for that. For host But yeah after test you can just spam as client and get 80% refund (still its stupid and should be max 40% ) ---
**Author:** ![KaelusVonSestiaf](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/kaelusvonsestiaf/32/23688_2.png) [@KaelusVonSestiaf](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/KaelusVonSestiaf)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414/58 "2020-02-17T21:04:26Z")
I was about to ask if you tried it, then you edited your post rofl. Anyway, yes, this is also why dummies will refund you for 80%, since they cannot die. ---
**Author:** ![Perteks](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/perteks/32/21276_2.png) [@Perteks](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Perteks)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414/59 "2020-02-17T21:05:39Z")
Yeah just fast tested it on some random QP, I forgot how rarely I play as BH and most of times I’m hosting. ---
**Author:** ![Sleezy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@Sleezy](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Sleezy)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414/60 "2020-02-17T21:25:10Z")
> [@KaelusVonSestiaf](#): > > I have no idea how to test it, Would need creature spawner, show damage, and a buddy. I won’t be online for a while or I’d test it. ---
**Author:** ![souI23](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/soui23/32/25193_2.png) [@souI23](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/souI23)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414/61 "2020-02-17T22:01:19Z")
> [@Sleezy](#): > > This talent works with blunder. Blunder shoots 12 pellets. If the first 4 pellets drop the targets HP, then the next 8 will get the damage boost, for example. If this was intended and if this worked as both host and client… it would be a GREAT thing. Is there a way to test it as client? p.s Blunder has 12 pellets. You are right. But because the mod shows only the damage of 4 pellets? [Previous page](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/worst-talent-in-the-game/38414.md?page=4)