# Will Duelling Sword be available on Arbites? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 22, 2025, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089 "2025-05-22T16:55:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![alwaysoveronepointow](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/alwaysoveronepointow/32/96625_2.png) [@alwaysoveronepointow](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/alwaysoveronepointow)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2025, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089/21 "2025-05-22T19:23:45Z")
This guy gets it. ---
**Author:** ![alwaysoveronepointow](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/alwaysoveronepointow/32/96625_2.png) [@alwaysoveronepointow](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/alwaysoveronepointow)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2025, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089/22 "2025-05-22T19:25:47Z")
Thank you sir! ---
**Author:** ![Pirx](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/pirx/32/96156_2.png) [@Pirx](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Pirx)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089/23 "2025-05-23T00:15:03Z")
geez, keep it, just make it reasonably powerful, not head and shoulders above everything else. i don’t get it what’s so complicated about balancing weapons and having a large variety instead of some “must pick” outliers. ---
**Author:** ![Vertraxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a5b964/32.png) [@Vertraxxx](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Vertraxxx)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089/24 "2025-05-23T00:36:45Z")
Regardless of whether Arbites can use DS or not, it needs to be nerfed. Please make sure to nerf it in the next update. Fatshark, I’m telling you again and again and again and again…DS absolutely must be nerfed. ---
**Author:** ![anon63448941](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@anon63448941](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon63448941)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 4:09am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089/25 "2025-05-23T04:09:46Z")
> [@alwaysoveronepointow](#): > > Also we need more enemies on the screen, especially elites. Right now the game is an absolute breeze and not challenging at all, I’m just casually killing 10+ pack of Maulers like it’s no one’s business. Auric shouldn’t look like that, there should be at least 30+ elites spawning with each horde. While we’re at it, Trapper should be able to teleport directly to players and she gets a high capacity clipazine because why TF not? Git gud rejects! ---
**Author:** ![Cheturnadcatii](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/cheturnadcatii/32/79639_2.png) [@Cheturnadcatii](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Cheturnadcatii)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 4:33am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089/26 "2025-05-23T04:33:59Z")
Maybe i will sound rough but DS is not ultimate allrounder choice (at least at havoc 40). Is it overtuned? Yes, of course, but my exp. tell me that its not THAT busted. Its just players make this weapon look so, because its easy to use. Too easy. And i think decision to give DS outside psyker is bad. Because for psyker its normal to have slightly busted melee weapon… u know how “well” psyker performs melee builds (i know there is melee psyker lovers, but im havoc 40 player and i tell MY vision of this). ---
**Author:** ![alsozara](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/alsozara/32/6944_2.png) [@alsozara](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/alsozara)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 4:46am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089/27 "2025-05-23T04:46:46Z")
> [@fuugesnamo](#): > > this is beautiful bait. Oh thank god. Up to this point I was genuinely terrified at the prospect of OP’s tone and intent somehow flying over every single person in this thread’s head. ---
**Author:** ![gpkgpk](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/gpkgpk/32/119406_2.png) [@gpkgpk](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/gpkgpk)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 5:15am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089/28 "2025-05-23T05:15:38Z")
Give it to ogryns first, then to Dredd, then remove it from Vet and Zealot a month after that, then remove it from Psyker a month after that, fix it, then give it back. Simple as. Upvoting OP because /s. P.S. Also give doggo DS. ---
**Author:** ![gpkgpk](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/gpkgpk/32/119406_2.png) [@gpkgpk](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/gpkgpk)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 5:19am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089/29 "2025-05-23T05:19:07Z")
> [@Bastion220](#): > > Thats not the definition of overpowered. Its the definition of a meta-game Nahhh G …er B, it’s OP, OP AF. ---
**Author:** ![anon63448941](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@anon63448941](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon63448941)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 5:27am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089/30 "2025-05-23T05:27:06Z")
> [@Cheturnadcatii](#): > > Is it overtuned? Yes, of course, but my exp. tell me that its not THAT busted. > > Its just players make this weapon look so, because its easy to use. Too easy. **Uncanny -** capped at 40% Rending, no longer applies to DoT stacks. **Special attack -** no longer staggers Ogryns. **Sprint speed -** reduced. Those 3 adjustments would be good enough. ---
**Author:** ![Frish](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/frish/32/70212_2.png) [@Frish](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Frish)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089/31 "2025-05-23T06:19:51Z")
Yeah the rending is wild, just looks ridiculous when flying around decapitating crushers with no issue. That said it seems really fun to use and rewarding of aiming skill and mobility, would be a shame to lose that. I reckon it’s a case of deliberating on what to tune down, the nerf complaints surely can’t be worse than now 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Ralendil](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/ralendil/32/108313_2.png) [@Ralendil](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Ralendil)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089/32 "2025-05-23T06:48:42Z")
Not the only weapon they have to balance. PG and boltguns are also too strong considering other weapons. And there are useless weapons that are too weak for too much time. (Example: catachan sword, last buff did not make this weapon good… And this weapon has never been good) ---
**Author:** ![Pirx](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/pirx/32/96156_2.png) [@Pirx](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Pirx)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 6:49am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089/33 "2025-05-23T06:49:54Z")
Powered weapons are another thing, but a small woman staggering an Ogryn weighing 10x as much with a plain poking rod is remarkable. ---
**Author:** ![Index](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/index/32/95844_2.png) [@Index](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Index)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089/34 "2025-05-23T07:40:35Z")
> [@alwaysoveronepointow](#): > > Right now the game is an absolute breeze and not challenging at all so instead of making an overtuned havoc 40 the only challenge and only based on cheap meta talents and weaponry, scrap the power creep at once, cold turkey and reign in the outliers, make auric maelstrom the ultimate “solo/random” experience by NOT breezing through 10 maulers but fighting tooth and nails, only making leeway for inept mates that need to be ignored and you do the job on your own. by the same time, take out the crap that makes voc/bubble/book mandatory in havoc and enforce teamwork there by more intelligent/demanding enemy patterns/spawns/placement that needs different approaches than leeeeroy jenkins and we’re set. does it take time, effort and community will to hand over their favorite toys? sure, but the game will be better off in the long run. ---
**Author:** ![Ralendil](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/ralendil/32/108313_2.png) [@Ralendil](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Ralendil)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089/35 "2025-05-23T07:58:20Z")
You talk to the guy that opened this thread and that want the DS available to the new class, because he could not play without an OP weapons. So when he says that Havoc is not challenging, that just because he does everything he can to kill the challenge. Look he even asked directly Fatshark to remove this challenge by allowing DS, unnerfed, to the new class. ---
**Author:** ![Index](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/index/32/95844_2.png) [@Index](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Index)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089/36 "2025-05-23T08:37:19Z")
uhm yeah, isnt that the point of a forum? giving ones opinion to someone you dont agree with? ---
**Author:** ![Durandal94](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/durandal94/32/113472_2.png) [@Durandal94](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Durandal94)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089/37 "2025-05-23T08:44:10Z")
I’m 99.9% sure op is joking ---
**Author:** ![alwaysoveronepointow](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/alwaysoveronepointow/32/96625_2.png) [@alwaysoveronepointow](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/alwaysoveronepointow)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089/38 "2025-05-23T10:15:31Z")
And right you are. I thought that the reddit bit would be a dead giveaway but it seems some people got a bit too emotional to notice the hints. > **For those who might still think I'm serious and just backpedaling now** > > > [@How To Nerf Plasma Gun](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/how-to-nerf-plasma-gun/107693/80): > > > > Correct me if I’m wrong, but the “nerf-train” hasn’t even left the station yet, no? Last updates were almost entirely buffs, and the most blatant offenders such as: > > > > - Duelling Sword > > - Voice of Command > > - Infernus Staff > > - Plasma Gun > > - Staff primary spam (usually Electrokinetic) > > - Venting Shriek (overstacking Soulblaze) > > - Until Death + Holy Revenant > > - Enduring Faith > > > > have not been touched, which is why the game has devolved into a glorified walking simulator outside of Auric Maelstrom / Havoc. > > > > So perhaps we should finally _start_ the “nerf-train”, so that all the people taking a vocal stance against it can finally have something more than a self-constructed effigy to fight. ---
**Author:** ![gpkgpk](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/gpkgpk/32/119406_2.png) [@gpkgpk](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/gpkgpk)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089/39 "2025-05-23T10:24:14Z")
Well in their defence, some people’s first language isn’t ~~sarcasm~~ English and some people are very thick, some are very, VERY thick and very not English. Well played OP! ---
**Author:** ![alwaysoveronepointow](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/alwaysoveronepointow/32/96625_2.png) [@alwaysoveronepointow](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/alwaysoveronepointow)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089/40 "2025-05-23T10:28:44Z")
Of course. No hard feelings towards them, especially since the opening post isn’t even that absurd so one would have to track the entire conversation to be sure. And let’s be honest, not everyone has the time for that. [Previous page](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/will-duelling-sword-be-available-on-arbites/108089.md?page=3)