# Why nerf headhunter mkIII
**URL:** https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/why-nerf-headhunter-mkiii/85258
**Category:** General Discussion
**Created:** [October 25, 2023, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/why-nerf-headhunter-mkiii/85258 "2023-10-25T16:54:14Z")
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### Author:  [@ghostwolf131](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/ghostwolf131)
#### Post date: [October 25, 2023, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/why-nerf-headhunter-mkiii/85258/1 "2023-10-25T16:54:14Z")
After this update, the damage of Headhunter MK3 has been significantly reduced, with a 50% reduction in damage to unyielding armor and a 30% reduction in damage to other armor. Where exactly did this weapon meet your hatred? Every time it received a bit of reinforcement, it was immediately sent to hell by you. When I hit a Mutant in the shooting range with a critical hit and a damage of 200, I laughed because the enemy’s health is 4000, which means I need to shoot half a magazine of bullets, and each shot is a critical hit to kill him. Why am I holding this toy water cannon, Do you think all the players in this game are experts in head popping, but other weapons only need to hit the body to obtain high damage, and a single shot to the head can even instantly kill all the Speciallist enemies. Compared to the poor MK3, it is simply a clown and the worst of all firearms because it must hit the head and critically hit to have high dps, and this game does not have such a good environment for you to head popping, Please reconsider the weakening of this weapon, which is too unfair to him.
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### Author:  [@XeroShinobi](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/XeroShinobi)
#### Post date: [October 25, 2023, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/why-nerf-headhunter-mkiii/85258/2 "2023-10-25T16:58:39Z")
While not at the top of the difficulty tier list, the Vraks III is a precision weapon and is still well within the top half of the list. Therefore Fatshark has dictated that it must be garbage and you’ll hate your life when you take it.
The last thing Fatshark wants is some sweaty CS player streaming a few matches of Darktide in a variety stream and putting up serious numbers. Those top spots are reserved for people left click spamming, as the God Emperor intended.
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### Author:  [@Padds](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Padds)
#### Post date: [October 25, 2023, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/why-nerf-headhunter-mkiii/85258/3 "2023-10-25T17:30:54Z")
> [@Patch #14 Notes Part 2](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/patch-14-notes-part-2/84503/1):
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> **Vraks Mk III Headhunter Autogun**
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> ● Finesse Modifier (0%, 80% Damage Stat):
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> ○ 150%, 270% to 125%, 225%.
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> ● Armour Modifiers (near, far):
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> ○ Unyielding: 80%, 60% to 60%, 50%.
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> ● Special Action Impact:
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> ○ 5 to 7.5.
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> ● Special Action Impact Armour Modifiers:
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> ○ Unyielding: 100% to 25%.
> [@ghostwolf131](#):
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> After this update, the damage of Headhunter MK3 has been significantly reduced, with a 50% reduction in damage to unyielding armor and a 30% reduction in damage to other armor.
it needed a small nudge down , i was using one on all 3 classes that could equip it and it did feel like self sabotage to use anythign else.
its still very capable at any difficulty its just been a bit balanced and its now more tightly slotted into its correct niche. im just not seeing the huge drop off. vets still dropping reapers in 2 bursts
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### Author:  [@ghostwolf131](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/ghostwolf131)
#### Post date: [October 26, 2023, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/why-nerf-headhunter-mkiii/85258/5 "2023-10-26T10:45:12Z")
But the laser guns and revolvers only require one shot to achieve this, which is clearly not very balanced, and other weapons will not have such low maniac armor damage.
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### Author:  [@Zakera](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Zakera)
#### Post date: [October 26, 2023, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/why-nerf-headhunter-mkiii/85258/6 "2023-10-26T11:09:02Z")
Yesterday I went for a game with my Zealot and I usually rock the Vraks III Headhunter Autogun… for some reason, it felt sluggish compared to how it was two days ago.
Whenever I moved and tried to shoot while aiming sights, the shots wouldn’t land on the target because the recoil was all over the place. The tip of the gun always moved upwards, except when you stand still and you aim down sights.
Either I did not notice this behavior before or they did something to it that rendered the gun barely useable.
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### Author:  [@DeathLD](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/DeathLD)
#### Post date: [October 26, 2023, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/why-nerf-headhunter-mkiii/85258/7 "2023-10-26T12:55:57Z")
I think this weapon along with the agripinaa mk is one of the most useless weapons in the game.
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### Author:  [@Dumlefudge](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Dumlefudge)
#### Post date: [October 26, 2023, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/why-nerf-headhunter-mkiii/85258/8 "2023-10-26T13:03:47Z")
This bug may be related?
> [@Vraks Mk III Headhunter Autogun, hitmarker bug](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/vraks-mk-iii-headhunter-autogun-hitmarker-bug/85372):
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> Issue Description: Vraks Mk III Headhunter Autogun =\> hitmarker not aligned with the ironsights when aiming down sight AND firing AND hitting an enemy AND moving. There might also be a problem with the recoil of the guns unless this is all intended. Steps to Reproduce: Equip Vraks Mk III Headhunter Autogun (on veteran, with or without talents) Aim down sight Fire + move at same time + hit enemy to show hitmarker Platform: Steam Player ID: A Solid Snack Approx. Time of Issue & Ti…
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### Author:  [@Zakera](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Zakera)
#### Post date: [October 26, 2023, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/why-nerf-headhunter-mkiii/85258/9 "2023-10-26T13:10:12Z")
Yes! From what I’ve read in there, those are the same symptoms which I experienced.
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### Author:  [@UnLimiTeD](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/UnLimiTeD)
#### Post date: [October 26, 2023, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/why-nerf-headhunter-mkiii/85258/10 "2023-10-26T15:23:19Z")
Didn’t it also (before) have an issue where moving actually made it _more_ accurate?
Also, before I thought the mk7 was clearly the best headhunter, and now… it still is.
Just feels a bit less like a heavy autocannon. I suppose this gun is now specifically meant to be bad against unyielding?
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### Author:  [@Molonious](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Molonious)
#### Post date: [October 26, 2023, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/why-nerf-headhunter-mkiii/85258/11 "2023-10-26T16:38:47Z")
Can’t really seem to find a use for this weapon, the damage at all ranges just feels outdone by other options. It’s better than the worst performance of a infantry lasgun at short range or a full auto autogun at long range, but has worse optimal range performance than both, largely leaving it sub-par across the board and being good at nothing in particular. Was really excited to run one on my Zealot after getting it to 30, but hard-dropped that in favor of a Columnus V.
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### Author:  [@dragomusic](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/dragomusic)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/why-nerf-headhunter-mkiii/85258/12 "2023-10-27T00:00:26Z")
No no no, you all don’t understand. The Vraks MK III is still incredibly overpowered and needs to have a finesse modifier of 80%.
However the Revolver _DESPERATELY_ needs another damage buff and 100% damage pen on literally everything!
(In case people can’t tell this is sarcasm)
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### Author:  [@Eviltreerat](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Eviltreerat)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/why-nerf-headhunter-mkiii/85258/13 "2023-10-27T00:22:08Z")
Too bad everyone at FatShark and their simping shills here failed sarcasm 100.
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### Author:  [@alsozara](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/alsozara)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/why-nerf-headhunter-mkiii/85258/14 "2023-10-27T00:29:07Z")
The nerfs on paper look very reasonable considering the absolutely absurd boss damage this thing could put out. I’ll try it in game next chance I get but OP’s comments do not like up with the patch notes in terms of overall damage reduction. Were there hidden extra nerfs or is OP just exaggerating?
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### Author:  [@raizing](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/raizing)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/why-nerf-headhunter-mkiii/85258/15 "2023-10-27T01:42:16Z")
nah, they’re rightish. body shot crits were ~250 each. headshot crits ~650.
precision weapon called the “headhunter” _shrug_ don’t expect much damage wise outside of headshots.
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2023, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/why-nerf-headhunter-mkiii/85258/16 "2023-11-03T01:42:27Z")
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