# Turn votekick into kick **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Feedback\ **Created:** [January 3, 2024, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/turn-votekick-into-kick/90413 "2024-01-03T17:43:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![1184](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/d07c76/32.png) [@1184](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/1184)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/turn-votekick-into-kick/90413/1 "2024-01-03T17:43:34Z")
Mission host should have total power over who they play with. The votekick system we have right now leads to absolutely ridiculous and toxic situations where the host holds no power over griefers. For example, if I want to play without picking up grimoires and I tell everyone who joins not to pick any up and someone does it anyway and refuses to drop it, whenever I votekick them all it takes is a single person to vote no. In that situation I as a host can: a) try to kill the person and risk the situation devolving into something very toxic and unplayable b) leave the match, start a new one and pray to Sigmar that I do not encounter another griefer because I am powerless against them As you can see the actual system is ridiculous, toxic and there’s not a single argument that’d make it better over what all the other games do - which is just giving the host total power. ---
**Author:** ![BFCInsomnia](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/bfcinsomnia/32/61321_2.png) [@BFCInsomnia](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/BFCInsomnia)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/turn-votekick-into-kick/90413/2 "2024-01-03T17:59:24Z")
> [@1184](#): > > there’s not a single argument that’d make it better over what all the other games do - which is just giving the host total power. Sounds abuseable, no thanks 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![1184](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/d07c76/32.png) [@1184](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/1184)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/turn-votekick-into-kick/90413/3 "2024-01-03T18:21:28Z")
> [@BFCInsomnia](#): > > Sounds abuseable, no thanks 🙂 The system is already vastly much more abusable the way it is now. Almost every other game has force kick for host instead of votekick and it’s much better, even with all its drawbacks. ---
**Author:** ![Frostysir](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/frostysir/32/23094_2.png) [@Frostysir](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Frostysir)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/turn-votekick-into-kick/90413/4 "2024-01-03T18:46:01Z")
> [@1184](#): > > The system is already vastly much more abusable the way it is now. No it is not, if host can kick whoever they please we will end up with people going like “You did 1 FF damage to me, F you” and then kicks. Or they go “your build sucks” or “I dont like that career” “That weapon” and on and on. Fathark even had to add safeguards to the current system to prevent premades abusing the votekick to kick other players near the end of a game because that was a thing happening because people are assholes. Heck, we even have other precedents. Like in Payday 2 where host had kick rights but that was actually removed exactly because of such reasons, too many abusers. Votekick isnt perfect but it does reduce this kind of crap, to some extent. … As for other games that allow host full authority now, i cant say i can really recall which ones that do aside from DRG, vote or even no kick is more common i believe. ---
**Author:** ![MunKy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/munky/32/72010_2.png) [@MunKy](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/MunKy)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/turn-votekick-into-kick/90413/5 "2024-01-03T18:47:39Z")
Someone picking up the grimoire when you ask them not to isnt a griefer, they just arent doing what you asked. Frustrating, yes, griefing, no. Just because you host, its not your game, youre simply the lobby host. If you want to host a private lobby then use these forums or reddit or something to make a LFG group with the proviso that no grims are to be picked up. Then if someone joins agreeing but continues to pick up grims, yes, that would be griefing. Otherwise, pubs are pubs. You cannot control people. Im really glad its a votekick, because I think there would be far more toxicity in the game with a hostkick since as soon as someone doesnt play the exact way the host wants, they would be at hosts mercy. ---
**Author:** ![kqgee](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/kqgee/32/28555_2.png) [@kqgee](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/kqgee)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/turn-votekick-into-kick/90413/6 "2024-01-03T20:09:17Z")
I disagree with OP. > [@1184](#): > > In that situation I as a host can: c) Try and complete the match to the best of your ability and then leave the group once its complete. I would also recommend trying LFG(looking for group) in discord to find players who are like minded. ---
**Author:** ![1184](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/d07c76/32.png) [@1184](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/1184)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/turn-votekick-into-kick/90413/7 "2024-01-03T20:27:01Z")
> [@Frostysir](#): > > No it is not Yes it is. > [@Frostysir](#): > > if host can kick whoever they please we will end up with people going like “You did 1 FF damage to me, F you” and then kicks I really doubt that. People don’t votekick for FF unless the person who does FF is deliberately griefing. > [@Frostysir](#): > > Or they go “your build sucks” or “I dont like that career” “That weapon” and on and on. Never heard of anything like that happening. > [@Frostysir](#): > > Fathark even had to add safeguards to the current system to prevent premades abusing the votekick to kick other players near the end of a game because that was a thing happening because people are assholes. That can still exists in a normal kick system. That’s what Deep Rock Galactic does, too. > [@Frostysir](#): > > Heck, we even have other precedents. Like in Payday 2 where host had kick rights but that was actually removed exactly because of such reasons, too many abusers. Votekick isnt perfect but it does reduce this kind of crap, to some extent. I can give you more examples of me being screwed over by this system while being the host than examples of me being kicked in other games which have a normal, healthy and rational kick system. > [@MunKy](#): > > Someone picking up the grimoire when you ask them not to isnt a griefer, they just arent doing what you asked. Frustrating, yes, griefing, no. Yes it is. Because they do something that impacts me negatively. > [@MunKy](#): > > Just because you host, its not your game, youre simply the lobby host. If you want to host a private lobby then use these forums or reddit or something to make a LFG group with the proviso that no grims are to be picked up. Then if someone joins agreeing but continues to pick up grims, yes, that would be griefing. True. But if we had a normal kicking system then this wouldn’t be true and I would be the ‘game host’ and have more rights and be able to play properly with random people without fear of griefers ruining my game and me not being able to do anything about it. > [@MunKy](#): > > Otherwise, pubs are pubs. You cannot control people. Should be able to. You can in DRG and it works great. You can’t in V2 and it’s garbage. > [@MunKy](#): > > Im really glad its a votekick, because I think there would be far more toxicity in the game with a hostkick since as soon as someone doesnt play the exact way the host wants, they would be at hosts mercy. There would be far less toxicity. Even if the host ended up kicking someone, there would be no further aggression between the two. > [@kqgee](#): > > c) Try and complete the match to the best of your ability and then leave the group once its complete. So you’re saying that if I don’t want to play the game with grims, I should just accept that I get defeated by griefers and get screwed over? Nice. L take, literally. > [@kqgee](#): > > I would also recommend trying LFG(looking for group) in discord to find players who are like minded. I don’t want to use a 3rd party software to make the game playable without fear of griefers that are protected by the system. ---
**Author:** ![1184](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/d07c76/32.png) [@1184](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/1184)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/turn-votekick-into-kick/90413/8 "2024-01-03T20:33:31Z")
I acknowledge the fact that if host kick was a thing, people would abuse it. But people abuse votekick even more now than it’d be abused if it was host kick. If we had host kick and a griefer or two joined my game, I could simply kick them and continue playing. That would protect me as a host - the player who spends the most time in that match. Would that mean people would be able to abuse the kick? Sure, but not any more than they’re now. With the votekick system we currently have griefers are invincible because if they have a friend, they can just vote no and I’m screwed. It defends the griefers. Try playing on Champion or Legend (less prevalent on Legend) and not picking up tomes - you WILL be kicked. You WILL be called names. The fact that there’s a votekick doesn’t help with this **at all.** And anyone who cannot grasp that is delusional. There’s a reason why most games still go for host kick rather than vote kick. ---
**Author:** ![MunKy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/munky/32/72010_2.png) [@MunKy](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/MunKy)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/turn-votekick-into-kick/90413/9 "2024-01-03T20:41:18Z")
> [@1184](#): > > Because they do something that impacts me negatively. [Griefer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer) > _A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately and intentionally irritates and harasses and annoys other players within the game by using aspects of the game in unintended ways in order to destroy something another player made or built, or stealing something, such as items or loot, when that is not the primary objective. A griefer derives pleasure primarily, or exclusively, from the act of annoying other users._ Doesnt sound like you had a griefer, just that someone did something you didnt like, which is not griefing. > [@1184](#): > > But if we had a normal kicking system then this wouldn’t be true But we thankfully dont, so it is true. > [@1184](#): > > Should be able to. I disagree. > [@1184](#): > > There would be far less toxicity. Again, just your opinion. I disagree completely. Im assuming you came from a game where someone picked up grims and you lost then decided to make a forum post about it. Have a good day buddy. I hope in future you get people in your games who align more with your playstyle. Personally, I just roll with the tide. ---
**Author:** ![1184](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/d07c76/32.png) [@1184](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/1184)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/turn-votekick-into-kick/90413/10 "2024-01-03T20:47:23Z")
> [@MunKy](#): > > Griefer If I host my own game and say ‘no grim’ and someone picks up a grimoire anyway then they’re doing it deliberately. > [@MunKy](#): > > Doesnt sound like you had a griefer, just that someone did something you didnt like, which is not griefing. Despite me saying I don’t want them to do it as a host. > [@MunKy](#): > > But we thankfully dont, so it is true. We should, because actual system is garbage that protects griefers. > [@MunKy](#): > > I disagree. I don’t particularly care. If a couple of griefers decided to join my game just to shoot me, then I cannot do anything about it except for abandoning the mission on the spot. Because this system protects them. > [@MunKy](#): > > Again, just your opinion. I disagree completely. Nope, it’s a fact. > [@MunKy](#): > > Im assuming you came from a game where someone picked up grims and you lost then decided to make a forum post about it. Nope. I come here from games where someone picked up grims despite me telling them not to, several times. And then not being able to kick them. > [@MunKy](#): > > Have a good day buddy. I hope in future you get people in your games who align more with your playstyle. It’d be a better day if we had a host kick system. Also I don’t want to “hope” to have a good game. I want a good game. Votekick makes it worse. > [@MunKy](#): > > Personally, I just roll with the tide. That’s because you don’t encounter the same issues as I do and as such your world is invaluable. ---
**Author:** ![Frostysir](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/frostysir/32/23094_2.png) [@Frostysir](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Frostysir)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/turn-votekick-into-kick/90413/11 "2024-01-03T20:53:34Z")
> [@1184](#): > > I really doubt that. People don’t votekick for FF unless the person who does FF is deliberately griefing. Reasonable people do not, yes, problem is, reason isnt always abundant. Majority might not be like that but…imagine that those that ignore your request about not taking grims because they feel like it, also being the types that would kick people when they feel like it? Because they “Feel” like someone has offended them somehow? You really wana give people like that more power? Getting kicked every third or every forth game because some arse went on a powertrip? “He took grim! .” “He took my heal .” “Wasted ammo .” “OP b\*llshit build no fun .” " Didnt follow/do what i said" > [@1184](#): > > Never heard of anything like that happening. I have seen it a lot, and i suspect most people keep their builds private because of it. And i mean, similar enough things have happened if another game had the feature but actually just outright removed it while citing abuse. Payday 2 ladies and gents. > [@1184](#): > > I can give you more examples of me being screwed over by this system while being the host than examples of me being kicked in other games which have a normal, healthy and rational kick system. This system punishes powermongering hosts more than it does the general populace-… by blue balling them. Healthy and rational kick system? I honestly do not know of any game except DRG that uses host-kick. I know several that do not . And i know one that removed it. ---
**Author:** ![OrsonMaxwell](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/orsonmaxwell/32/16570_2.png) [@OrsonMaxwell](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/OrsonMaxwell)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/turn-votekick-into-kick/90413/12 "2024-01-03T20:59:50Z")
Totally valid and historically proven points against this feature already presented. My two cents: maybe give the host like a 1.5 votes instead of 1 so a pair of griefers cannot overpower host’s vote, but three people can still ditch whatever stupid vote a griefing host might initiate? ---
**Author:** ![1184](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/d07c76/32.png) [@1184](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/1184)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/turn-votekick-into-kick/90413/13 "2024-01-03T21:03:49Z")
> [@Frostysir](#): > > Reasonable people do not, yes, problem is, reason isnt always abundant. Majority might not be like that but…imagine that those that ignore your request about not taking grims because they feel like it, also being the types that would kick people when they feel like it? Because they “Feel” like someone has offended them somehow? > > You really wana give people like that more power? Getting kicked every other or every third match because some arse went on a powertrip? Yes, I do. It’d be worth it, there’s no doubt about it. And I wouldn’t be getting kicked every 3rd match because some arse went on a powertrip. I already get kicked every 3rd match because some arse wants me to pick up a tome. And the votekick system doesn’t do crap about it. If they want to kick me then most of the time they will succeed, even with the votekick. With host kick at least I’d have more control over my own game and wouldn’t need to worry about the game protecting the griefers. Right now the best thing I can do is to potentially take a detour every time I play with a random player just so I can grab the grim and immediately throw it away. > [@Frostysir](#): > > I have seen it a lot, and i suspect most people keep their builds private because of it. Most people keep their builds private because that’s literally the default setting for it. By default it makes it private to anyone but your friends. > [@Frostysir](#): > > This system punishes powermongering hosts more than it does the general populace-… by blue balling them. I get CONSTANTLY kicked by powermongering hosts who want me to pick up a tome. Votekick doesn’t help with that. In addition to that, I can’t host my own game with my own rules because votekick defends people who don’t care and just do whatever they want. > [@Frostysir](#): > > Healthy and rational kick system? I honestly do not know of any game except DRG that uses host-kick. I know several that do not . Literally any multiplayer/MMO game that has a party/squad/mission system. > [@OrsonMaxwell](#): > > Totally valid and historically proven points against this feature already presented. > > My two cents: maybe give the host like a 1.5 votes instead of 1 so a pair of griefers cannot overpower host’s vote, but three people can still ditch whatever stupid vote a griefing host might initiate? Having votekick is like allowing the criminal to be one of the judges. It’s toxic, delusional and more harmful than what every other game does, which is a normal host kick system. ---
**Author:** ![MunKy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/munky/32/72010_2.png) [@MunKy](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/MunKy)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/turn-votekick-into-kick/90413/14 "2024-01-03T21:06:19Z")
Yes I do encounter the same issues. What makes you think I dont? > [@1184](#): > > your world is invaluable Can you repeat that please. Im not entirely sure you wrote what I think you meant to. ---
**Author:** ![1184](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/d07c76/32.png) [@1184](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/1184)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/turn-votekick-into-kick/90413/15 "2024-01-03T21:09:29Z")
Imagine this scenario: 1. You host a public game. 2. You do not want to have grimoires so you tell everyone who joins “no grim”. 3. Two people join, one of them picks up a grimoire. 4. You tell them to throw it away, they do not listen. What do you do? And another one: 1. You host a public game. 2. You’re more than halfway through while two people join. 3. One or both of them start shooting you until you die. 4. You initiate a votekick against one of them, but the other one doesn’t vote or votes “No”. What do you do? ---
**Author:** ![Frostysir](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/frostysir/32/23094_2.png) [@Frostysir](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Frostysir)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/turn-votekick-into-kick/90413/16 "2024-01-03T21:09:50Z")
> [@1184](#): > > If they want to kick me then most of the time they will succeed, even with the votekick. ,…This means the other players in the match are joining the vote against you i believe? I presume that since we are talking tomes&grims we are also talking legend. Most people playing legend do be grinding that loot, ofc they gonna be kicking anyone that they feel gets in the way. > [@1184](#): > > Literally any multiplayer/MMO game that has a party/squad/mission system. WoW uses votekick, Final fantasy uses votekick, Terra votekick, black desert uses votekick. What game aside from DRG? ---
**Author:** ![1184](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/d07c76/32.png) [@1184](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/1184)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/turn-votekick-into-kick/90413/17 "2024-01-03T21:10:25Z")
> [@Frostysir](#): > > ,…This means the other players in the match are joining the vote against you i believe? Yes, absolutely. ---
**Author:** ![1184](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/d07c76/32.png) [@1184](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/1184)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/turn-votekick-into-kick/90413/18 "2024-01-03T21:12:26Z")
The way the game is made now, most people want to take tomes and grimoires. They will vote against you if you refuse to take one and you will be kicked. This constantly happens to me. Hosting my own game would completely fix this issue, except when someone picks up a grimoire and then I can’t get enough votes to kick them, my experience is ruined. ---
**Author:** ![Frostysir](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/frostysir/32/23094_2.png) [@Frostysir](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Frostysir)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/turn-votekick-into-kick/90413/19 "2024-01-03T21:13:52Z")
> [@1184](#): > > > [@Frostysir](#): > > > > ,…This means the other players in the match are joining the vote against you i believe? > > Yes, absolutely. Then this isnt a powermongering host, its you going against the majority and getting hit for it, welcome to Democracy. Freedom special leaves the country in ruins. > [@1184](#): > > The way the game is made now, most people want to take tomes and grimoires. They will vote against you if you refuse to take one and you will be kicked. This constantly happens to me. Legend 100%, and of course they wana do it, legend is the optimal mode for risk/reward/time farming. What you want is some sorta alternate hosting where you can select to host a legend game without grims or tomes, even if that practically means never having teamamtes. Go play cata, people sometimes grab a tome, grim once in a blue moon. One rare ass might flame you for taking a tome over a heal. ---
**Author:** ![GreenColoured](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a9a28c/32.png) [@GreenColoured](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/GreenColoured)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/turn-votekick-into-kick/90413/20 "2024-01-03T21:21:15Z")
Alternatively I just sat somewhere far off where they couldn’t shoot me and wait them out or until the idiot leaves [Next page](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/turn-votekick-into-kick/90413.md?page=2)