# The Crafting Memorial; lest we forget **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 4, 2023, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-crafting-memorial-lest-we-forget/79281 "2023-05-04T17:40:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 172
**Author:** ![Headhunter](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/headhunter/32/62026_2.png) [@Headhunter](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Headhunter)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-crafting-memorial-lest-we-forget/79281/3495 "2024-06-27T18:48:11Z")
New system seems to give disappointment early. Rather than getting finally scoring a 370-380 to later brick it. Currently: 1. Mass buy x40 or more, 2. Get 1x 370-380, 3. 180 turn, run to craft station, 4. Craft & brick, 5. 180 turn, run to armory 6. Repeat They shifted RNG from 2nd stage bolted into 1st (1) and (2) so crafting becomes choice with no locks, skipping (3) to (5). Ended up like a beep test exercise ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/e/c/ecf8a015662a1576374789183dd4b4d2b8695808.png) ---
**Author:** ![dragomusic](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/dragomusic/32/77374_2.png) [@dragomusic](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/dragomusic)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-crafting-memorial-lest-we-forget/79281/3496 "2024-06-27T18:50:29Z")
> [@Crafting Questions Compilation](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/crafting-questions-compilation/96417/1): > > > [@Introduction to the Itemization Rework - Dev Blog](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/introduction-to-the-itemization-rework-dev-blog/96314/470): > > > > 2 different build styles, will you be able to save a different configuration for each? > > Pretty sure the answer is no, because it would cost resources to make those changes but would be good to know if you could explicitly have load outs where the perks/blessings are different on the same weapon. I would assume you would need two weapons. Putting this here because I like this thread more than the crafting announcement one.🙃 I agree with Brosgw that the answer is almost certainly going to be a hard no, which for me is a problem with the new system. Being able to change perks and blessings on the fly without locks is a large positive change, but it seems that will be more for if you are changing your build, not if you want to use the same weapon on multiple different builds. This is why the system is still worse than a more traditional loadout system imo. If instead of acquiring individual weapons, you just got it access to it during the character level up process and than unlocked perks and blessings for it with Mastery (I think I’m using that term correctly), you wouldn’t have to grind up the same weapon for different builds. Also would remove any issues with grinding for good base stats or good maximum potential stats (if that’s a thing?). ---
**Author:** ![Bankrotas](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/bankrotas/32/22467_2.png) [@Bankrotas](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Bankrotas)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-crafting-memorial-lest-we-forget/79281/3497 "2024-06-27T19:10:54Z")
I wonder what will happen to this ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/d/c/dc6883f540e9475a87a82cbc1aa130da62f72d45.jpeg) The only item in my inventory I’m satisfied with. ---
**Author:** ![brosgw](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/brosgw/32/82643_2.png) [@brosgw](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/brosgw)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-crafting-memorial-lest-we-forget/79281/3498 "2024-06-27T19:12:40Z")
I suspect it will stay there and you will be able to use it… if you have the “mastery” high enough to use it. A lot of questions but that’s a “500” enhanced weapon using new rework lingo. Maybe 550. I dunno. ---
**Author:** ![Bankrotas](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/bankrotas/32/22467_2.png) [@Bankrotas](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Bankrotas)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-crafting-memorial-lest-we-forget/79281/3499 "2024-06-27T19:14:09Z")
Clearly I don’t have either of those blessings and even though it’s my most used ranged weapon on vet, I “clearly haven’t mastered it”. ---
**Author:** ![anon73549677](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/da6949/32.png) [@anon73549677](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon73549677)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-crafting-memorial-lest-we-forget/79281/3500 "2024-06-27T19:16:05Z")
> [@brosgw](#): > > I suspect it will stay there and you will be able to use it… if you have the “mastery” high enough to use it. A lot of questions but that’s a “500” enhanced weapon using new rework lingo. Maybe 550. I dunno. My expectation is that you keep what you have. And if you saw this nice piece on Melk, you could still buy it. But if you wanted to swap Volatile for some other T4 blessing, you’d need to be pretty far along in the Mastery of the weapon family to do that. ---
**Author:** ![brosgw](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/brosgw/32/82643_2.png) [@brosgw](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/brosgw)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-crafting-memorial-lest-we-forget/79281/3501 "2024-06-27T19:16:39Z")
> [@Bankrotas](#): > > Clearly I don’t have either of those blessings and even though it’s my most used ranged weapon on vet, I “clearly haven’t mastered it”. This is all conjecture but the blessings you unlock through mastery are just for the expertise system for changing them. It doesn’t stop you from using weapons that have blessings you haven’t unlocked. (I think). ---
**Author:** ![Bankrotas](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/bankrotas/32/22467_2.png) [@Bankrotas](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Bankrotas)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-crafting-memorial-lest-we-forget/79281/3502 "2024-06-27T19:29:11Z")
Hopefully, but deep inside I wonder the backlash they’d have, if all just proofed away. I know part of me would enjoy schadenfreude. ---
**Author:** ![murphIV](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/murphiv/32/78351_2.png) [@murphIV](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/murphIV)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-crafting-memorial-lest-we-forget/79281/3503 "2024-06-27T19:49:47Z")
man that’s sweet! This is a microcosm of the whole system, you got amazingly lucky on this and didn’t even have to rip the blessings because they are both what you want! So let’s say you wanted to make another one for a different blessing, you wouldn’t have those blessing to put on it…fail system is fail ---
**Author:** ![kbvks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7feea3/32.png) [@kbvks](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/kbvks)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-crafting-memorial-lest-we-forget/79281/3504 "2024-06-27T21:15:11Z")
The question that I have and that is unclear to me is whether or not higher tier blessings will be weighted more in terms of achieved mastery you get after conversion. Example: I have my favorite evi 2 that I play with. I have unlocked all of the T3 and T4 blessings for evis, but not as many T1 or T2. Now, when they convert, will I end up with _less_ mastery points because my “blessing library” for the eviscerator is not 100% full? If the answer is “yes”, then I could end up _not_ having all the T3 and T4 blessings I currently have, and will have to grind more. Or am I completely missing the point? ---
**Author:** ![AsukasHeadphones](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/asukasheadphones/32/80926_2.png) [@AsukasHeadphones](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/AsukasHeadphones)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-crafting-memorial-lest-we-forget/79281/3505 "2024-06-27T21:18:11Z")
> [@dragomusic](#): > > Please don’t that would be sad I don’t play Darktide though. I’m a Vermintide fanboy. I play Vermintide. I’m only here because I think Fatshark should do better with Darktide; also I’m on a holy crusade against Fatshark because I got burned with Darktide which won’t stop until they fix the game. Once they fix one of the biggest problems I have with Darktide then there’s no reason to be here being angry at Fatshark or to complain. > [@dragomusic](#): > > I agree with Brosgw that the answer is almost certainly going to be a hard no Why a hard no? Vermintide 2 just got an update where you can have different loadouts: ![](https://i.imgur.com/QrUTzB0.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![AsukasHeadphones](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/asukasheadphones/32/80926_2.png) [@AsukasHeadphones](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/AsukasHeadphones)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-crafting-memorial-lest-we-forget/79281/3507 "2024-06-27T21:20:07Z")
Dude it’s freakin’ better than this game. ---
**Author:** ![Headhunter](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/headhunter/32/62026_2.png) [@Headhunter](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Headhunter)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-crafting-memorial-lest-we-forget/79281/3508 "2024-06-27T21:20:18Z")
The grind here is time based. No luck or skill here. T5 get there sooner, T4 bit slower. But you get there based on time. Other way VT2 style - T6 missions, earn by skill red weapons, “maybe” introduce completionist style of grabbing all the books and bits throughout map to get emporer chest. Still low chance but maybe get it after 6-7 games. Grind comes from the play itself, it comes from the skill and team work. Time does not present itself as a “challenge”. It is same reason why some people play T5 Auric where T5 is perfectly fine to get orange gear. For their own challenge. Not doing non-challenging admin task of RNG rolls clicking buttons. ---
**Author:** ![kbvks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7feea3/32.png) [@kbvks](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/kbvks)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-crafting-memorial-lest-we-forget/79281/3509 "2024-06-27T21:20:29Z")
I am so confused about how this forum works, lol. And yeah, it is. ---
**Author:** ![AsukasHeadphones](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/asukasheadphones/32/80926_2.png) [@AsukasHeadphones](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/AsukasHeadphones)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-crafting-memorial-lest-we-forget/79281/3510 "2024-06-27T21:22:37Z")
I’m still upset on how Darktide came out. They had the BLUEPRINT from Vermintide to make the best game and instead we got _this_. Two years later and Fatshark is only now realizing their crafting sucks and should be reworked. Meanwhile Vermintide 2 had map packs, DLC weapon packs, free maps, and new modes. ---
**Author:** ![Molonious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Molonious](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Molonious)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-crafting-memorial-lest-we-forget/79281/3511 "2024-06-27T21:30:01Z")
> [@AsukasHeadphones](#): > > Two years later and Fatshark is only now realizing their crafting sucks They’ve known since Launch that it sucks. The CEO called it out in his “Statement to Players” non-apology apology 😭 The mind boggling part to me is why they thought stuff like Penances and the Twins and Green Bombers needed to take up the better part of a year’s worth of release pipeline instead of addressing itemization right after the Class updates. ---
**Author:** ![Headhunter](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/headhunter/32/62026_2.png) [@Headhunter](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Headhunter)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-crafting-memorial-lest-we-forget/79281/3512 "2024-06-27T21:33:45Z")
Loved VT2 **castles, mines, sewers, farms, forests, church, towns, big bridges, fortresses** etc. Felt very unique and different in colour use. Remember first time you saw the **skittergate** and said whoa beautiful. The graphics hold up and look varied and visual feast. DT maintains same look per mission to the point it is more difficult to tell what mission you’re actually playing. DT’s convenience is that it takes place all in one location to justify this. People used to say not fair to compare to DT as VT2 took around 2 years to get into good state. Well 2 years coming up can now compare VT2 base maps with the first 2 years of DLC. Very distinctive maps apart. ---
**Author:** ![AsukasHeadphones](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/asukasheadphones/32/80926_2.png) [@AsukasHeadphones](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/AsukasHeadphones)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-crafting-memorial-lest-we-forget/79281/3513 "2024-06-27T21:34:14Z")
> [@Molonious](#): > > The mind boggling part to me is why they thought stuff like Penances and the Twins and Green Bombers needed to take up the better part of a year’s worth of release pipeline instead of addressing itemization right after the Class updates. Yeah I don’t know. So weird seeing how they’ve been mishandling this game since day 1, and it’s obvious it isn’t working as is evidenced by recent steam reviews of people being upset over crafting being delayed: ![](https://i.imgur.com/j04IZ3U.png) They really need to restructure or something if they want to stay in business because Fatshark, for all intents, is fighting for their professional lives now. ---
**Author:** ![brosgw](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/brosgw/32/82643_2.png) [@brosgw](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/brosgw)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-crafting-memorial-lest-we-forget/79281/3514 "2024-06-27T21:35:50Z")
> [@AsukasHeadphones](#): > > Yeah I don’t know. So weird seeing how they’ve been mishandling this game since day 1, and it’s obvious it isn’t working as is evidenced by recent steam reviews of people being upset over crafting being delayed: > ![](https://i.imgur.com/j04IZ3U.png) Woah, really? Now this is interesting. Just over the delay? I would think knowing it’s coming would maybe help alleviate this but maybe not. And if they’re about to go on vacation this is a rough state to leave in if this will continue to fester. Looking at reviews I see a lot of anger about Zealot nerfs. ---
**Author:** ![AsukasHeadphones](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/asukasheadphones/32/80926_2.png) [@AsukasHeadphones](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/AsukasHeadphones)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-crafting-memorial-lest-we-forget/79281/3515 "2024-06-27T21:37:17Z")
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