# Smokes are awful **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 3, 2023, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smokes-are-awful/88474 "2023-12-03T03:13:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Nutgrinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecc23a/32.png) [@Nutgrinder](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Nutgrinder)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2023, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smokes-are-awful/88474/1 "2023-12-03T03:13:02Z")
smoke grenades are awful and should be replaced with anything else. at their very best they’re a worse version of zealot’s stunstorm and at their worst they are literally griefing the team by obscuring visability. i have a few suggestions but really anything would be an improvement my favorite is a personal teleporter, similar to the old unreal tournament teleporters, throw it out, once it lands somewhere valid activate again to instantly appear at that location. excellent for shortcutting to problem enemies or escaping a bad spot, runs on a cooldown like rocks, grenade tinkerer lets you activate it again while it’s on cooldown to return to your original position. just make sure to break this when you go through airlocks. another idea are “magic mags” you press the blitz button and your magazine is instantly refilled from reserve, no animation just boop, full mag, refills on ammo packs like zealot knives, tinkerer gives you a couple fire rounds at the top of the mag or something. yet another idea are some kind of stim/cloud thing. it hangs out low to the ground so it’s not obscuring visibility, and teammates that move through it get a lingering buff (movement speed, stun immunity, attack speed) or something like that, maybe enemies get slowed moving through it with tinkerer. really though bare minimum change the smoke effect so it’s only like a foot above the ground so at least it doesn’t block everyone’s view of the enemy. that needs to stop lol. ---
**Author:** ![Khorne\_Dawg](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/khorne_dawg/32/111464_2.png) [@Khorne\_Dawg](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Khorne_Dawg)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2023, 3:16am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smokes-are-awful/88474/2 "2023-12-03T03:16:16Z")
Gas Grenade RAHHHHH 💪💪💪 ---
**Author:** ![iTzTowa](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/itztowa/32/73784_2.png) [@iTzTowa](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/iTzTowa)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smokes-are-awful/88474/3 "2023-12-04T22:36:02Z")
No they’re not, you’re just bad at the game because you’re trying to speed solo the mission. Learn to play as a team. Personally, I use smokes to pinpoint spawn locations and block their visions. Plus I use them to block the sniper from shooting us, which is the point. You can’t have the complete stealth build if you don’t use smokes. Maybe you should learn to play with them. ---
**Author:** ![TremoloBanshee](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/tremolobanshee/32/94033_2.png) [@TremoloBanshee](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/TremoloBanshee)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 5:47am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smokes-are-awful/88474/4 "2023-12-05T05:47:23Z")
the smoke grenades do not obscure the vision of snipers ---
**Author:** ![Khorne\_Dawg](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/khorne_dawg/32/111464_2.png) [@Khorne\_Dawg](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Khorne_Dawg)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 5:57am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smokes-are-awful/88474/5 "2023-12-05T05:57:44Z")
I’m sorry but… Ew. ---
**Author:** ![Dollfie](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/dollfie/32/70091_2.png) [@Dollfie](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Dollfie)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smokes-are-awful/88474/6 "2023-12-05T07:00:14Z")
or they’ll make it a “flashbang”, which would just be a lesser version of the stun grenade since fatshark likes giving the vet b-tier versions of zealot abilities already lol ---
**Author:** ![Tempest\_yo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Tempest\_yo](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Tempest_yo)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smokes-are-awful/88474/7 "2023-12-05T07:32:45Z")
If that’s the case I’d like a B-tier throwing knife instead. That sh\*t is so good. Fatshark. Throwing axes. Please. Take 'em off Bardin. ---
**Author:** ![STARSBarry](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/starsbarry/32/39869_2.png) [@STARSBarry](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/STARSBarry)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smokes-are-awful/88474/8 "2023-12-05T08:39:51Z")
I agree they suck, I had a game where someone was using them and was confused until i realised how I couldn’t see anything was then spamming these things. I was thinking since they talk about putting stims in the air for workers why they dont make it some sort of Stim grenade thats buffs everyone in its radius but also for a short time after exiting (like maybe 5 seconds with perhaps the grenade improvement upping it to 15) would increase movement speed, attack speed for melee weapons and power. Only issue is lore wise its not really been done. Outside of that > **[Stasis Grenade](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Stasis_Grenade)** > > A Stasis Grenade is an unusual Imperial weapon that can create a stasis field effect. Developed by the Adeptus Mechanicus, Stasis Grenades are extremely rare and expensive to acquire. This and their specialised nature means their issue is limited to... Would he interesting, have them start off completely frozen but slowly have the enemy start moving in slow motion as the grenades power source runs low before finally returning to regular speed. ---
**Author:** ![Rainman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Rainman](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Rainman)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smokes-are-awful/88474/9 "2023-12-05T08:43:31Z")
if specials couldn’t see through it and it blocked fire from expanding, then they would be much better ---
**Author:** ![gpkgpk](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/gpkgpk/32/119406_2.png) [@gpkgpk](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/gpkgpk)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 8:46am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smokes-are-awful/88474/10 "2023-12-05T08:46:24Z")
> [@iTzTowa](#): > > Plus I use them to block the sniper from shooting us, which is the point. Except as it was pointed out to you, doesn’t work. > [@iTzTowa](#): > > you’re just bad at the game > [@iTzTowa](#): > > Maybe you should learn to play with them. Quoted for irony. P.S. Just for you [https://youtu.be/4B-b--FLNL0?t=20](https://youtu.be/4B-b--FLNL0?t=20) , see [bug reports](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/search?q=smoke%20sniper%20%23darktide%3Abugs%20order%3Alatest) too. ---
**Author:** ![1Cake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/cc9497/32.png) [@1Cake](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/1Cake)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smokes-are-awful/88474/11 "2023-12-05T09:15:49Z")
I’m sure it was a satirical post. It highlights the deficiencies of smoke grenades quite nicely. ---
**Author:** ![Yuma310](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/yuma310/32/84408_2.png) [@Yuma310](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Yuma310)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smokes-are-awful/88474/12 "2023-12-05T13:20:01Z")
> [@Dollfie](#): > > or they’ll make it a “flashbang”, which would just be a lesser version of the stun grenade since fatshark likes giving the vet b-tier versions of zealot abilities already lol Christ, that’s just endemic of everything they’ve done to the vet tree for the past few months isn’t it? My best guess at this point to explain their hate-boner is that in times past, a veteran stole FatShark’s high school sweetheart and this is their chance for revenge. ---
**Author:** ![xeonzs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a88e4f/32.png) [@xeonzs](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/xeonzs)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smokes-are-awful/88474/13 "2023-12-05T16:00:17Z")
> Says to learn the game > Says he does it to block snipers Smoke doesn’t block specialists targetting, including snipers, perhaps don’t be toxic when you fail at it yourself? ---
**Author:** ![xeonzs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a88e4f/32.png) [@xeonzs](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/xeonzs)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smokes-are-awful/88474/14 "2023-12-05T16:01:12Z")
Honestly this would be somewhat okay, if you consider the fact that veterans can regenerate grenades, so it would be less useful, but much more readily available. ---
**Author:** ![SgtHavelock](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/sgthavelock/32/116471_2.png) [@SgtHavelock](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/SgtHavelock)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smokes-are-awful/88474/15 "2023-12-05T16:15:01Z")
Personally, I think replacing it with a non-grenade based Blitz would be nice, be more variety than grenade-grenade-grenade. The other classes all get a unique thing (rocks, knives, and Psykers being Psykers) so why not a powerful single shot handgun for the Veteran that recharges over time (a la the Saltzpyre Bounty Hunter special from VT2)? I’d take it over the krak grenade in a shot (pun intended). > [@Veteran: Replacement For Smoke Grenade](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/veteran-replacement-for-smoke-grenade/87250): > > The Smoke Grenade is currently the least viable ‘Blitz’ for the Veteran Guardsman and I think I have a good solution. In short, give the Veteran a Hand Cannon for their Blitz. In long … Putting aside the Pysker because Psyker, the Zealot and the Ogryn both have two blitz options that I will call an unorthodox (i.e. not a grenade), with the throwing knives and lovely rocks respectively. As we all know the Veteran Guardsman has three grenade options with Frag, Krak and Smoke, but the last of th… ---
**Author:** ![iTzTowa](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/itztowa/32/73784_2.png) [@iTzTowa](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/iTzTowa)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 1:26am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smokes-are-awful/88474/16 "2023-12-06T01:26:58Z")
I dont seem to have an issue using them or avoiding snipers or elites. Maybe it is indeed a skill issue you all possess. Do better? ---
**Author:** ![gpkgpk](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/gpkgpk/32/119406_2.png) [@gpkgpk](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/gpkgpk)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 2:03am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smokes-are-awful/88474/17 "2023-12-06T02:03:23Z")
Are you serious? I even made a vid for you. Maybe get the mod and try it out in meat grinder. SMOKE does NOTHING with snipers. ---
**Author:** ![Forsion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5e9695/32.png) [@Forsion](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Forsion)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 2:14am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smokes-are-awful/88474/18 "2023-12-06T02:14:36Z")
You didn’t threw enough smokes, throw more! ---
**Author:** ![Skaleek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Skaleek](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Skaleek)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 2:25am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smokes-are-awful/88474/19 "2023-12-06T02:25:00Z")
> [@iTzTowa](#): > > I dont seem to have an issue using them or avoiding snipers or elites. Maybe it is indeed a skill issue you all possess. Do better? Doubling down. Bold move. Let’s see if it pays off. ---
**Author:** ![Magnus91](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Magnus91](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Magnus91)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 2:35am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smokes-are-awful/88474/20 "2023-12-06T02:35:32Z")
I’d like to see something counter fire (maybe water balloons). 😁 Seriously maybe an ice grenade that puts out fire and freezes enemies. Just spitballing here. It would be nice to have something to counter the, sometimes, multiple bombs the Bombers have thrown, and maybe the Flamer too. [Next page](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/smokes-are-awful/88474.md?page=2)