you’re right bro
Dreg Vanguard 0.5 → 0.75
Scab Vanguard 0.5 → 0.65
this nerf made the thousands of people who disliked them switch sides what on earth was I thinking. arguement over.
They were just lazy and coded that like the hitbox override that occurs when you hit limbs, but for all hits instead of just range (basically every enemy will lower damage if the shot doesn’t hit the chest or head, and then you also have different armors). So you get hit with a huge damage penalty at the end.
If they made it like the dreg rager’s 15% headshot damage resistance it would be fine, those guys can survive a bit more punishment but aren’t unresponsive to staggers (beyond funny havoc glows) and die when you expect them to.
Removing a quarter of the damage resistance is fairly substantial. They also fixed the stagger, shield hitbox, etc. It’s a number of nerfs/fixes that in my experience changed how they feel completely.
But aside from that - you are claiming it’s the majority opinion they’re overpowered, and your basis for this is a heap of threads that were made before they were nerfed. I tell you the threads don’t reflect the current balance, and you’re getting salty? Perhaps we can nerf them further, then link to the same threads, and get them nerfed again? And again?
Your evidence is outdated and irrelevant and it’s what you’re basing your claim on.
not salty its just tiresome to argue with someone who lives in an alternate reality. im done with this whole thread. What actually matters is the devs have acknowledged the complaints and have planned fixes for them, your opinion be damned.
When tangible video proof is not enough that the goalpost needs to be shifted towards them being bad because it puts pressure on the team and this the exec stance vet can’t get an elite kill every 6s (please use the 9s subnode it’s a must run)
when they get nerfed even though you think your opinion is more valuable than everybody elses
I mean isn’t that just appealing for authority as well
Fatshark will do whatever Fatshark wants
They buffed Inferno staff when uncanny was nerfed even tho there’s literally 0 people who wanted it buffed pfff
I don’t understand how you have the face to say “others live in an alternative reality” and come up with comments like this
appealing to authority is better than appealing to “my opinion is better than yours because i made videos in psykanium”
Be honest with me
If I posted a Havoc 40 game with your standard type of build, and Vanguards are present in the dozens and we still deal with them normally and without much resistance
Would that be good enough for you to understand they’re not an issue?
If you say “No” then there’s no point in you bringing the testing was done in the psykanium since you’re not gonna care where the video happens xd
that argument begins with if because it didnt happen. also remember your teamates kill all of them for you anyway.
Pfff that’s gotta be bait
In my normal standard builds I kill a considerable amount of them since I play melee, I only said you should ignore them if you’re playing something like exec stance
Feel free to go back to the comment and understand the context of that
I kill a lot of them too, i specified multiple times its mostly certain builds where theyre annoying. Im not saying you cant, or you didnt do that (while not recording) im saying you didnt provide video proof, you’re posing a hypothetical which is completely pointless. You dont go to court and win a case by going “well you see you would definitely rule in our favour if you saw this [evidence that we dont have]”
Also just want to mention if you play havoc 40 you’re probably better than the vast majority of players. In such cases they would naturally be less annoying to you, but that doesnt invalidate the people who lose fun who play on damnation.
like you ever heard of the meme in csgo where the pro advice is “just click their heads bro”
Well but I don’t see you presenting evidence either of them heavily affecting exec stance builds, the same goes for your side as well
It’s silly to say “well unless I see evidence, what you say is just an hypothetical, but my claim is not even if I don’t present evidence”
I can ignore this however, as long as
And yes I’ll be one dealing with Vanguards as well
Would that be enough as evidence?
If you posted a video of you easily handling a bunch of vanguards while keeping your exec stance up with an infantry lasgun, that would prove you’re able to deal with them, which would mean you’re more skilled than me.
That does not however mean the problems I have with them magically go away.
I’d like to see a video of you struggling then, so I can understand it better, no I’m not gonna be a dipshit and shame the gameplay, I only wanna see the annoyance and struggle these enemies apparently bring
It’ll make me understand better
I dont have a video of when theyve been a problem on hand, and ive been playing recon instead recently. ive described the problem previously to the best of my ability though.
Then… Wouldn’t it be fair to also call it an hypothetical?
you can call it that, though i would argue theres a major difference in saying “i struggle with them” and “i easily handle them in havoc 40”
Come on man, you’re having me on. You’re saying I’m in an alternate reality, but you’re posting outdated links to prove that the majority agrees with you? I’m telling you the stuff on Reddit that post-dates the nerf there isn’t anywhere near the support you’re claiming. You talked about providing evidence, but you’re just asserting the opinion is there as a fact currently. Again, I don’t dispute it was there before, I’m doubting that it’s there now. Like, are you going to address that what you’re providing as the basis for your belief is old beyond just being sarcastic?
And again, if you want to play like that, that’s your ball, that’s fine, but you’re asserting that’s a majority opinion, and asserting stuff about how the game should be designed as facts, rather than it just being your opinion lol.