# Retrospective and Good Bye **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 20, 2023, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/retrospective-and-good-bye/81282 "2023-06-20T18:38:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dragomusic](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/dragomusic/32/77374_2.png) [@dragomusic](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/dragomusic)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2023, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/retrospective-and-good-bye/81282/1 "2023-06-20T18:38:44Z")
_Also I have a quick meme post about cosmetics I want to do later today so don’t get mad at me if I post that after this!_ Before I start with anything there are two things I want to clarify quickly. This is the first forum that I have ever actively checked, read, replied, and posted. A game doing that to me shows that it has something that pulls me in and want to learn more or share my experiences, which Darktide had done and no other game has done. Secondly, I’m sure people will say this is just an ego stroking post or whatever. And maybe partly it is, trying to make myself sound more important. My rationale is that this is more for me to summarize my experience and give a definitive "end point,’ so I don’t end up still checking the forums for no reason. While I joined in November, I didn’t really do anything until December. I made this post and honestly still feel like this should be implemented especially since VT 2 Bosses give loot die: > [@Side Boss Rewards/Drops](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/side-boss-rewards-drops/67044): > > Nothing too big here, but I think something that would feel nice and rewarding for players after they kill some of the event bosses would be some sort of drop. Personally I think that dropping crafting materials, even 1 large stash of plas-steel would make defeating them feel far more rewarding. Alternatively @Reginald mentioned that actually finding weapons and picking them up in game would be better than Emp’s Gift which I agree with, but would probably take more effort than it’s worth at the moment. Something specific I wanted to point out, is this post I made on January 9th. This was when Fatshark was coming back from Winter break, and I wanted to specifically show off this comment from Aqshy and the community response to it: > [@Fatshark's Silence is Deafening](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/fatsharks-silence-is-deafening/72746/12): > > Hey, as Taragin mentioned, a chunk of the office was away on holiday, and for many Swedes, it’s common to take Christmas to Three Kings Day off. The sharks are back in the tank, which means we can start discussing, developing, and getting game updates out again. We’re looking at having comms out earliest this week. > [@A little bit of Patience until next Community Update](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/a-little-bit-of-patience-until-next-community-update/72818): > > I understand, and also have frustration at the current state of the game, however I do think a bit of patience is warranted. Not only are people returning from Holidays, but if they are taking into consideration the many “pain points” than it might take a bit of time to make a game plan, and than communicate it clearly in a community update. I say wait through this week (Community Updates came on Wednesday usually I believe, so thats the day I’m tentatively waiting for) before getting really u… At this time lots of people were very angry at the state of the game and the timing of the winter break, and I feel there were more people active on the forums as well. My thinking behind this post was that there was no reason to be angrily posting stuff if FS was going to be posting a Comm Link with their upcoming plans shortly. I was trying to say, “Wait and see if their next comm link is good. If it is, awesome. If not, then you can start making more upset forum posts again.” I was NOT trying to say that we should be patient for the game to be fixed or whatever, just to see what the Comm Link had in store. 2 things happened after I posted that: First is I got pretty mauled by a lot of people. Again, lots of people seemed to misinterpret what I said, and maybe I should’ve been clearly. I didn’t expect FS to be able to post a full and comprehensive plan right after the break, but lots of people did. I replied 19 times to people out of 133 full replies (this was before I knew you could quote multiple people in one reply). However after a certain point I just really stopped caring or reading anything about that post. People were overly rude and flippant and they more than drowned out the good comments I received. The only person from that thread who I still see on hear, and who I am very thankful that they replied with a very well thought out reply is @Mezmorki , so I wanted to give them a thank you for that. The 2nd thing is that Fatshark really, _REALLY_ failed to deliver. Aqshy made that comment on January 9th, and I posted that thread the same day. Obviously I am not blaming Aqshy for anything but she said that they wanted to have a Comm Link ASAP and preferably in that week. Instead, the only thing we got 15 days later was that horrible and something that’s becoming all too common, the dreaded (not only for Darktide but the gaming industry as a whole), “Open Apology Letter.” > [@Open Letter to our players](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/open-letter-to-our-players/73874): > > To Our Players, We take enormous pride in our ability at Fatshark to deliver a game that millions can enjoy. This was what we set out to do with Warhammer 40,000: Darktide – to create a highly engaging and stable game with a level of depth that keeps you playing for weeks, not hours. We fell short of meeting those expectations. Over the next few months, our sole focus is to address the feedback that many of you have. In particular, we will focus on delivering a complete… Coincidently this had nothing specific, mentioning that they were focusing on the crafting system they promised in December, “a more rewarding progression loop” (is that supposed to be the new free cosmetics we can buy now?) and performance optimization. I will say while I haven’t played for a couple months at this point, more performance did improve over time. I know that’s not the case for everyone but I can only comment on myself. 24 days after my initial post, on the 2nd of February, FS posted this anemic Comm Link: > [@Community Comm-Link 2nd February 2023](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/community-comm-link-2nd-february-2023/74643): > > Rejects, We are establishing these Comm-Links, which we will use to keep you all updated on news and changes you can expect to see in the short term. Last week we saw the release of [Patch 1.0.22](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/patch-notes-1-0-22/73946), shortly followed by[Hotfix 1.0.23](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-1-0-23/74137) and [Hotfix 1.0.24](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-1-0-24/74486), which brought many bug fixes to penances and blessings, as well as some much-needed exploit fixes. Thank you to everyone who gave us constructive feedback on the layout and formatting of the Patch Notes! We’ll be sure to add these ideas where possi… On February 8th we got the Dev Blog for the Shrine, a full 30 days after my initial post: > [@Dev Blog: Deep Dive into the Shrine](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/dev-blog-deep-dive-into-the-shrine/75053): > > Rejects, For today’s blog, we will outline some of the features and changes we are actively working on in our next major patch and discuss how we arrived at making some of these changes in detail. An Update on the Shrine Before Darktide’s launch date, we brought an [update](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/dev-blog-crafting-in-darktide/60556) on the different features we were working on for the game’s crafting systems. The functionality of these crafting features was completed in December, and internally we began playtesting how they functioned, felt, and fit wi… This was when we got the full look at the crafting system that would be introduced into the game on February 21st. As a side note, this was mentioned in the blog and I’m not sure if we have reached a conclusion with it: > [@Dev Blog: Deep Dive into the Shrine](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/dev-blog-deep-dive-into-the-shrine/75053/1): > > A significant part of this work was confirming the direction for weapon blessings and where they will fit in the future. While we are excited about the direction we chose to take blessings, we will save that discussion for another time. Did anything come from this? What was the direction blessings are being or were being taken? How does this work with the lock system? Does this actually have any meaning behind it or was it just filler PR speak? Anyways all of this points to a sort of cycle: people who are confident of Fatshark or optimistic for the games future run into conflict with people who feel the opposite way. Fatshark fails to communicate or deliver in a reasonable amount of time which leads to more conflict in the forums. And honestly nothing comes out of it. I started feeling this way near the end of March as well and posted this thread: > [@Anything worth talking about anymore?](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/anything-worth-talking-about-anymore/77037): > > All the RNG is bad, plas steel is overused. I do think the nonsensical blessings (both for how the function and what weapons they are on) is under discussed but has still been mentioned. Lack of missions, build variety, etc etc. Is there really anything else to say at this point? I’ve seen tons of great ideas for fixes on the forums but none of them are going to be adopted. Even if there are some fixes (removing locks for example) there will still be other problems (blessings, general lack of co… That post pretty much just sums up how I feel and why I don’t think the Darktide forums are worth interacting with at the moment. There’s nothing left to be said that hasn’t been said, and the issues that have been discussed to death and back make me not want to interact with the game at all. It feels like we’re just sort of screaming at a brick wall. And I understand forums don’t exist so players can constantly talk directly to devs. However I don’t feel like discussing the other parts of the game while the barriers to play still exist. Even after the honey moon period was fading, the forums did still have positive effects. While it’s (usually) fun to talk and think things out, the best interaction I had was with @Reginald . I had felt that the Chain Axe was a practically unusable weapon since launch, besides just running around on malice light spamming. Deisu was kind enough to post this tutorial in a thread: [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bLiNFFxptgo/hqdefault.jpg "The Chain Axe - A tutorial") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLiNFFxptgo) and was nice enough to help a bit with a couple of extra questions I had in some short dms. Learning how to make the Chain Axe useable on both Vet and Zealot, and then proceeding to do well with it was some of the most fun I had in Darktide. Funnily enough indirectly Deisu was kind of the reason I quit playing as well: [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/poSYord17bM/hqdefault.jpg "The Lawbringer - A Tutorial") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poSYord17bM) Really cool overview of how to still use the basic Lawbringer shotgun. I thought to myself, why not try to get one out and try it? I hadn’t really used any of my mats on Zealot for a couple of weeks. After a game session, I had used that days mats alongside all of my saved ones and got nothing. It felt awful and I decided that I wasn’t going to play the game anymore, but for some reason I’ve stayed on the forums. A large part of that reason is probably because I hoped we would get some sort of change before Summer Break. I really wanted to play a ton of this game this summer. 20 Days ago I made this post practically begging for some sort of change to crafting before summer, even a cost reduction: > [@Please add a Crafting Band-Aid fix before the Summer Break](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/please-add-a-crafting-band-aid-fix-before-the-summer-break/80393): > > I’m posting this in hope that we are going to get at least one more patch before FS goes on break. I would really appreciate some sort of change for crafting before the break, to actually make me want to play this summer. It doesn’t have to be a complete overhaul or removal of locks (although that would be nice), but just anything. Like reducing plassteel costs or something similar. This would make me want to play over the summer break, and maybe buy stuff from the cosmetics shop for 2 reasons; … As you can guess nothing came out of it. Probably because the “players don’t know what they want.” The Comm Link 4 days ago basically confirmed that. Cross play is awesome and I’m really happy they added it. I’ll wait and see for the blessing rebalance. As for all the people praising their acknowledgment of issues, I don’t really get it. It seemed like more nothing to me. > [@Community Comm-link 15th June 2023](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/community-comm-link-15th-june-2023/81135/1): > > The team continues to review some of the top issues (areas of feedback) that we see. Most notably, the desire for more agency in things like account based currencies, perk refinements, adjustments to crafting locks and options on the mission board Don’t worry they’re “”“reviewing”“” these areas of feedback which includes “adjustments” to crafting locks, and “options” on the mission board. The absolute worst part of that is they’re reviewing perk refinement? Are they absolutely insane? What is there to “review???” Literally just let players pick 1 t4 perk they want instead of having to use a mod to reroll something upwards of 500 times to get it. I think this perfectly illustrates my issues with the game, company, and forum. Also, I couldn’t really find a nice place to sneak this in somewhere else, but the forums in general are fairly negative. Not toxic, negative. And people are justified to feel that way with the current state of the game and such, however with the rest of my life the way it currently is checking in on the forums doesn’t make me feel any better. Sorry about the length of this post. I didn’t initially intend for it to be this long but I guess I had a lot I wanted to get off my chest, as Darktide has been an incredibly frustrating game to follow. I’ll probably check the forum a day or two after I post this to respond to people. Additionally I’ll probably make a comment on the Summer Comm links if there is anything substantial in them. Besides that I’m just kind of done. Wish the best for everyone reading this, hopefully I can make an incredibly narcissistic and self aggrandizing post about me returning to the community in 3-4 months but I’m not holidng out hope for any major changes this year. Have a good one. Edit 1: > [@dragomusic](#): > > this is something I forgot to mention in my full post. This hasn’t been the greatest year for me so far, and I sometimes ended up taking my real life frustrations out on people with differing opinions on this forum which is unacceptable. Even if things aren’t perfect in the real world that is not an acceptable excuse to act that way in any capacity. I would like to fully apologize to anyone that I may have been dismissive or rude to. It’s not something I’m happy about, and I hope you can accept my apology. While I’m sure there are more, the 2 that come first to mind that are still semi active are @Mayson and @HenchAnt (I promise I’ll finish our DMs before I go!), and I appreciate and respect both of you having different opinions from the majority and presenting them in a well thought out and calm manner, and apologize for any times I might have gotten too aggressive or rude with a reply. ---
**Author:** ![Lt.DavinFelth](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/lt.davinfelth/32/63279_2.png) [@Lt.DavinFelth](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Lt.DavinFelth)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2023, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/retrospective-and-good-bye/81282/2 "2023-06-20T18:47:35Z")
![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/7/6/7694fa09d1388b82cb28eae89697ec6de4341b1d.jpeg) See you online, Space Wiking… ---
**Author:** ![Ragnarok101](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/ragnarok101/32/78147_2.png) [@Ragnarok101](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Ragnarok101)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2023, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/retrospective-and-good-bye/81282/3 "2023-06-20T18:53:59Z")
> [@dragomusic](#): > > Sorry about the length of this post. I didn’t initially intend for it to be this long but I guess I had a lot I wanted to get off my chest, as Darktide has been an incredibly frustrating game to follow. I’ll probably check the forum a day or two after I post this to respond to people. Additionally I’ll probably make a comment on the Summer Comm links if there is anything substantial in them. Besides that I’m just kind of done. Wish the best for everyone reading this, hopefully I can make an incredibly narcissistic and self aggrandizing post about me returning to the community in 3-4 months but I’m not holidng out hope for any major changes this year. Have a good one. Understandable. Take care, servant of the Emperor. ---
**Author:** ![brosgw](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/brosgw/32/82643_2.png) [@brosgw](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/brosgw)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/retrospective-and-good-bye/81282/4 "2023-06-20T19:34:58Z")
> [@dragomusic](#): > > Secondly, I’m sure people will say this is just an ego stroking post or whatever. ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/1/6/16b871a2f492b54ee40e3adfa01892e0796d4107.png) (your badges)^ I don’t see it that way. If you have been consistently involved in a community, virtual or IRL, it makes sense as a form of closure. It helps make it accountable and actionable to stay true to the choice you need to make that’s best for you. You could argue anytime anyone starts any thread it’s “ego” driven (who are they to comment on the state of the game or direction it should go with any authority?) I think it makes a lot of sense. I was going to give up earlier but this whole crafting memorial thing has given me a sense of duty I wasn’t expecting. If a year since launch Darktide doesn’t have the major issues for me resolved, I will probably quit myself. ---
**Author:** ![Riku](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/riku/32/118330_2.png) [@Riku](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Riku)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2023, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/retrospective-and-good-bye/81282/5 "2023-06-20T19:53:27Z")
[Jack Sparrow Intro Scene - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnXQdMRi63E) 🫡 ---
**Author:** ![Headhunter](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/headhunter/32/62026_2.png) [@Headhunter](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Headhunter)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2023, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/retrospective-and-good-bye/81282/6 "2023-06-20T19:54:26Z")
I say just take a break from the game for few months. Play some other games, new or old ones. See how it pans out and difference in few months time or not! ---
**Author:** ![Fatshark\_Hedge](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/fatshark_hedge/32/53965_2.png) [@Fatshark\_Hedge](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Fatshark_Hedge)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2023, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/retrospective-and-good-bye/81282/7 "2023-06-20T20:13:43Z")
You’ve always been a force for good and a generally respectful member of the community. Door is always open to you 🤘 ---
**Author:** ![Reginald](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/reginald/32/63707_2.png) [@Reginald](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Reginald)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2023, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/retrospective-and-good-bye/81282/8 "2023-06-20T20:31:04Z")
@dragomusic see ya bud! I’ll be joining you in the casualties memorial quite soon. I’ll ping ya on Steam if i find something fun to play. Oh, and i really appreciate the shout it. It was very generous. More than i deserve really. ---
**Author:** ![FASAStampede](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/fasastampede/32/59625_2.png) [@FASAStampede](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/FASAStampede)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2023, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/retrospective-and-good-bye/81282/9 "2023-06-20T21:04:16Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/WChTqYlDjtI/maxresdefault.jpg "Taps") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WChTqYlDjtI) ---
**Author:** ![dragomusic](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/dragomusic/32/77374_2.png) [@dragomusic](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/dragomusic)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2023, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/retrospective-and-good-bye/81282/10 "2023-06-20T21:08:49Z")
> [@Fatshark\_Hedge](#): > > generally respectful member of the community Thank you for bringing this up, this is something I forgot to mention in my full post. This hasn’t been the greatest year for me so far, and I sometimes ended up taking my real life frustrations out on people with differing opinions on this forum which is unacceptable. Even if things aren’t perfect in the real world that is not an acceptable excuse to act that way in any capacity. I would like to fully apologize to anyone that I may have been dismissive or rude to. It’s not something I’m happy about, and I hope you can accept my apology. ---
**Author:** ![Nayl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b487fb/32.png) [@Nayl](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Nayl)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2023, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/retrospective-and-good-bye/81282/11 "2023-06-20T23:07:34Z")
Farewell @dragomusic, I wish you the best wherever you go! ---
**Author:** ![Positron](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/positron/32/3244_2.png) [@Positron](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Positron)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2023, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/retrospective-and-good-bye/81282/12 "2023-06-21T00:38:29Z")
> [@dragomusic](#): > > the forums in general are fairly negative. Not toxic, negative. And people are justified to feel that way with the current state of the game and such, however with the rest of my life the way it currently is checking in on the forums doesn’t make me feel any better. Amen to that, brother. Can’t really blame people. There was a point when all the weapon and blessings balancing was going on that it actually felt like our input was generating positive change in the game, but when that abruptly came to an end it’s just been progressively less constructive shouting into the void, eventually turning more and more to shouting at each other instead. I question myself why I still check the forums occasionally. I guess there’s something about Darktide that makes me want to continue to engage with it even once the game itself stops providing what I wish it could for me. More than likely, I’ll stick out my pretty… occasional rate of play until summer, then take a long hiatus from the game until something exciting happens to bring me (and my friends who quit playing after December) back. From what I have seen of you here, you’ve been one of the more productive, least hostile, and standout members of the little community here. Sad to see you go, but there’s much better things for all of us to focus our attention on, so I’d wager you’re making the right call. Cheers! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/3/1/319a2f41b73f03a4d9360defbe43058888a33c8c.png) [@system](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/retrospective-and-good-bye/81282/13 "2023-06-28T00:38:31Z")
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