# Question about cleave stat **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 30, 2026, 6:22am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/question-about-cleave-stat/127053 "2026-10-30T06:22:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rublika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@Rublika](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Rublika)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2026, 6:22am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/question-about-cleave-stat/127053/1 "2026-10-30T06:22:34Z")
Cleave talents are not working on weapons with finesse but no cleave? ---
**Author:** ![Harridas](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/harridas/32/25941_2.png) [@Harridas](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Harridas)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2026, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/question-about-cleave-stat/127053/2 "2026-10-30T07:06:56Z")
Because 0 + 200% is still 0 ---
**Author:** ![MadMartigan](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/madmartigan/32/85568_2.png) [@MadMartigan](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/MadMartigan)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2026, 7:54am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/question-about-cleave-stat/127053/3 "2026-10-30T07:54:38Z")
This is an interesting point though as many will believe that cleave talents add cleave regardless. The talents don’t say they will only improve existing cleave, or certainly their wording doesn’t suggest that. ---
**Author:** ![Rublika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@Rublika](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Rublika)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2026, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/question-about-cleave-stat/127053/4 "2026-10-30T08:55:01Z")
I thought every weapon has cleave, otherwise how do you explain if it hits multiple opponents? ---
**Author:** ![carebus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a9a28c/32.png) [@carebus](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/carebus)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2026, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/question-about-cleave-stat/127053/5 "2026-10-30T08:58:31Z")
every attack type of every weapon has it’s own cleave value the cleave stat on a weapon (if it exists) change a base cleave for attacks blessings will change that value further, but if a weapon has no cleave stat - it wiil work with the base values for exmpl if u take chainsword mk iv (it has no cleave stat) you will have these numbers Light 1 - 1.5 Light 2 - 4.5 Light 3 - 4.5 Light 4 - 4.5 Heavy 1 - 0 Heavy 2 - 0 Heavy 3 - 8 After you take “wrath” with 5 stacks, ur base cleave will up by 200% and will amount to (or something like that, not sure the values i roughly estimated are accurate): Light 1 - 4.5 Light 2 - 13.5 Light 3 - 13.5 Light 4 - 13.5 Heavy 1 - 0 Heavy 2 - 0 Heavy 3 - 24 you can find some info here > **[Darktide - Breeds Spreadsheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PtPcw4m4YtO_IcEkFlJJOBVWCYDEIeCKJRYLT4SmLc0/htmlview#gid=681171795)** > > This Sheet is private ---
**Author:** ![Rublika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@Rublika](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Rublika)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2026, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/question-about-cleave-stat/127053/6 "2026-10-30T09:02:33Z")
Makes sense, but how comes the Achlys combat axe has 0.001 cleave xD ---
**Author:** ![carebus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a9a28c/32.png) [@carebus](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/carebus)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2026, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/question-about-cleave-stat/127053/7 "2026-10-30T09:54:29Z")
it’s just the developers’ design: a weapon for single targets only. in the game, u need to solve 4 kill tasks during a run: 1. trash waves 2. specialists 3. armored guys 4. ranged guys so, if u want to make ur build universal, u need to be sure u have the capabilities to fulfill all 4. battle axes were designed to solve the 3rd task, but with the game’s power creep and the release of new weapons, they are outdated and have now become a toy for enthusiasts. so no need to think about, just accept ---
**Author:** ![Gideon404](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/gideon404/32/96699_2.png) [@Gideon404](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Gideon404)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2026, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/question-about-cleave-stat/127053/8 "2026-10-30T10:01:13Z")
Brutal Momentum blessing allows combat axes to bypass cleave limitations. [Darktide’s COOLEST Blessing ! Brutal Momentum Guide](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDAUhd4pgz8) As always I say to people: mechanical depth or easy to explain in a tooltip → pick one. ---
**Author:** ![Rublika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@Rublika](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Rublika)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2026, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/question-about-cleave-stat/127053/9 "2026-10-30T12:19:55Z")
I mean i understand, that it supposed to be a single target anti armor weapon, but its clearly not and still has some horizontal attacks, so its dumb they stops in the first enemy if you dont have brutal momentum… 😃 As you just pointed out, its outdated and weak in its role so basically useless weapons, since dueling sword can deal more damage against armoured and other weapons have way cleave, so why bother… ---
**Author:** ![Tarquelne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tarquelne](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Tarquelne)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2026, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/question-about-cleave-stat/127053/10 "2026-10-30T12:26:15Z")
As I always say: You can enjoy the game or think about the game - Pick one. ---
**Author:** ![carebus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a9a28c/32.png) [@carebus](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/carebus)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2026, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/question-about-cleave-stat/127053/11 "2026-10-30T12:51:19Z")
It has some horizontal animation, but it’s still a “strikedown” type, so it’s just a visual thing. Not only are axes now in such a sad state, and I have no reasonable answer as to why FS refuses to overhaul old weapons. And be wary of the term “useless”: there are always some freaks here who could emanate in the topic faster than light and make it clear to you that battle axes are a fully Havoc 40-capable weapon. ---
**Author:** ![ZoroDaOtter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/f475e1/32.png) [@ZoroDaOtter](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/ZoroDaOtter)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/question-about-cleave-stat/127053/12 "2026-11-02T12:36:38Z")
BM has since been nerfed to not give infinite cleave, but it is still super OP. It’s still the highest damage increasing blessing in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Gideon404](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/gideon404/32/96699_2.png) [@Gideon404](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Gideon404)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/question-about-cleave-stat/127053/13 "2026-11-02T12:48:28Z")
You are correct in that it is capped at three additional targets now, as long as they are not ogryns, and iirc ignores the carapace stop flag. But yeah, essentially takes a weapon with negligible cleave and makes it a top tier horde clear weapon (if you can hit your breakpoints). ---
**Author:** ![ZoroDaOtter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/f475e1/32.png) [@ZoroDaOtter](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/ZoroDaOtter)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/question-about-cleave-stat/127053/14 "2026-11-02T12:55:49Z")
> [@Gideon404](#): > > iirc ignores the carapace stop flag. I haven’t played non-Havocs in so long that I don’t remember if anything can one-shot Maulers/Plasma Gunners anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Gideon404](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/gideon404/32/96699_2.png) [@Gideon404](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Gideon404)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/question-about-cleave-stat/127053/15 "2026-11-02T12:57:07Z")
Nothing I use. Maybe if someone used shroudfield to buff an axe swing? Bit of a hypothetical situation. ---
**Author:** ![Downer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce7236/32.png) [@Downer](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Downer)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/question-about-cleave-stat/127053/16 "2026-11-02T13:48:14Z")
> [@carebus](#): > > battle axes were designed to solve the 3rd task, but with the game’s power creep and the release of new weapons, they are outdated and have now become a toy for enthusiasts. It’s a matter of class, martyrdom zealot and hive scum make hem very strong, mostly because they compensate low attack speed. ---
**Author:** ![carebus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a9a28c/32.png) [@carebus](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/carebus)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/question-about-cleave-stat/127053/17 "2026-11-02T15:06:53Z")
And HS and Zealot have better options than BA, so, no, not to my taste. Besides, HS was designed to utilize trash weapons 🙂 And Zealot was monstrously buffed recently… Nobody says you can’t use it, if you like it. ---
**Author:** ![Rublika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@Rublika](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Rublika)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/question-about-cleave-stat/127053/18 "2026-11-02T15:15:53Z")
My post somewhere went down from rails, because i was talking about an axe variant using horizontal swings with 0 cleave. You can offset it with brutal momentum but its a must pick so only 1 other slot remains. Its a strong weapon, but not as strong against carapace on not melee classes as intended by the description in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![aroth68](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/aroth68/32/33737_2.png) [@aroth68](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/aroth68)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/question-about-cleave-stat/127053/19 "2026-11-02T15:35:25Z")
By any chance does someone have any spreadsheet / resource that indicates the damage values beyond the first target ? Because sometimes you can stack cleave bonuses pretty high but it’s kinda pointless when the damage fall-off is super steep or even 0 beyond the 3rd target. ---
**Author:** ![ZoroDaOtter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/f475e1/32.png) [@ZoroDaOtter](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/ZoroDaOtter)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/question-about-cleave-stat/127053/20 "2026-11-02T22:07:42Z")
I guess it could be useful when you kill a carapace head enemy with weakspot you can continue the swing. [Next page](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/question-about-cleave-stat/127053.md?page=2)