# Psyker is not weak it is a playstyle/skill issue **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Feedback\ **Created:** [January 16, 2023, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315 "2023-01-16T12:58:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Myu](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/myu/32/54736_2.png) [@Myu](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Myu)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315/24 "2023-01-16T18:15:11Z")
Reading on my phone and missed that. I am not saying one is better in all situations. Brain burst can be great in situations. Pox bursters is one that it can work out pretty well because it is announced and the kill is instance the moment it is seen with Brain Burst. No risk of missing. It is situational. Brain burst does need to be stronger. I’ve noticed it hasn’t been killing mutants and that’s a pretty big deal to how useful the charge mechanic is. I feel like you are over selling the vet a bit, or maybe I need to play her more. The vet is hands down better at taking out multiple ranged but seems I have to choose between being really good at elites or being really good at hordes. I feel psyker can do both, but at the cost of being squishy and not being able to handle far ranged quickly. So a lazgun vet pairs well with a purgatus psyker. ---
**Author:** ![anon39921048](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/439d5e/32.png) [@anon39921048](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon39921048)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315/25 "2023-01-16T18:15:41Z")
It is because you spit some misjudging,then proceed to trying to say something excusable,failed,proceed to eat it back.It is not honest and I dont think there is anything inaccurate to calling you out bad(because the willness to judge something without actualy knowing it) and a liar(because you lied,and keep try to lie,simple) Have a good day bro ---
**Author:** ![JanZamoysky](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/janzamoysky/32/87926_2.png) [@JanZamoysky](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/JanZamoysky)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315/26 "2023-01-16T18:16:10Z")
[![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/efHCdKb5UWc/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEmCOADEOgC8quKqQMa8AEB-AGmBYACgAOKAgwIABABGGUgSyhIMA8=&rs=AOn4CLAijQ2KruBKZOWJrtnPf5PeanIe0A "The Dark Knight - Some Men Just Want To Watch The World Burn") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efHCdKb5UWc) - Also some of us really enjoy the psyker experience. ---
**Author:** ![Flawless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/eada6e/32.png) [@Flawless](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Flawless)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315/27 "2023-01-16T18:19:02Z")
> [@Myu](#): > > Pox bursters is one that it can work out pretty well because it is announced and the kill is instance the moment it is seen with Brain Burst sadly, not on damnation iirc ---
**Author:** ![anon39921048](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/439d5e/32.png) [@anon39921048](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon39921048)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315/28 "2023-01-16T18:19:51Z")
For mutants we need 3 bbs to kill it,so usually I just dodge it and proceed to fs special it,1 hit plus some few normal swing it is a kill,if situation permited,for example from afar I see it charging to me,I suggest to 1 bb,proceed to dodge/fs special,and it dies. People overhype vets too much,there is a lot of things on paper that vets are just op,doing anything needed better than any of other 3 classes but,in rl,I havent yet see any of those flawless vets,after months of damnation running,many hours per day. Well,maybe I had met 1,but he was a semiprofessional in world of tanks which I know him irl,xd… Usually bb can garantee a bomber/sniper kill even if you are under heavy fire supression ,and usually,most vets just fail doing that ---
**Author:** ![anon39921048](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/439d5e/32.png) [@anon39921048](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon39921048)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315/29 "2023-01-16T18:23:10Z")
Maybe its just I cant get it work,Im bad with conflag on sienna anyway…Im more up for flammer,the fireball,and the headseeker thing back in vt2 In my experience,it only really damage enemy in the centre of the circle,and the charge is very peril-costy,the worst thing is it throw poxwalkers around,prone and alive…My mate yelling at me over voicechat calling me a troll because she get hit by those poxwalkers which surrounded her,hahaha ---
**Author:** ![Myu](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/myu/32/54736_2.png) [@Myu](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Myu)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315/30 "2023-01-16T18:23:30Z")
Couldn’t say for sure. I have started playing damnation more, so I am still figuring out what is what. ---
**Author:** ![JanZamoysky](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/janzamoysky/32/87926_2.png) [@JanZamoysky](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/JanZamoysky)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315/31 "2023-01-16T18:24:57Z")
I just do one bb, two quick heavies with Duelist Sword (Mk V?) ---
**Author:** ![anon39921048](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/439d5e/32.png) [@anon39921048](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon39921048)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315/32 "2023-01-16T18:25:26Z")
you dont insta kill poxbursters in damnation,this is true,you need 2 bbs to kill it,you can do that if it comes from afar but I wont suggest you even bb/or other class shot it because in a pug run there are always some ppl proceed to close the distance and block push it,you shot it,it explode prematuraly,and you hurt your teammate So in a pug situation when the poxburser isnt far away and you are not sure you can kill it before anyone try to close distance and push it,DO NOT shot it is the best thing you can do ---
**Author:** ![Flawless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/eada6e/32.png) [@Flawless](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Flawless)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315/33 "2023-01-16T18:25:52Z")
> [@anon39921048](#): > > you spit some misjudging That pretty much sums up your entire post history in this thread. * * * > [@anon39921048](#): > > misjudging,then proceed to trying to say something excusable,failed,proceed to eat it back.It is not honest and I dont think there is anything inaccurate to calling you out bad(because the willness to judge something without actualy knowing it) I said something that could be misunderstood if taken literally, then **I explained what exactly I meant** and **I admitted that I was not entirely certain if it was true**. > [@Flawless](#): > > Then again, purgatus does no boss damage what so ever. > [@Flawless](#): > > **I might actually be mistaken here, but i am pretty sure** that soulblaze also does barely any damage against bosses **You chose to ignore my explanation twice** and **you still took my first statement literally**. I agreed with you, that **you would be correct if you took my statement literally** (and my statement would be wrong). And **for a second time, i said that i was not 100% certain** regarding the truthfullness my statement and **for a second time i explained what exactly i meant**. > [@Flawless](#): > > > [@anon39921048](#): > > > > you **literally** SAID purgatus does no dmg on boss,NOT crasher,xd > > **I did.** > […] and said, that **i am pretty sure (but not 100% certain)** that it also does pretty bad dmg against bosses. > [@Flawless](#): > > > [@anon39921048](#): > > > > You **literally** said purgatus does no boss dmg,being exposed,and changed your words,I would qualify you as 0 knowledge AND shameless,by denying what you have said > > Well i said this: > > > [@Flawless](#): > > > > Then again, purgatus does no boss damage what so ever. > > Which is **not true if taken literally**. I thought it was clear that i meant “bad damage” and not “actually 0 dmg”. If clearing up confusion and admitting uncertainty is not honest, idk what is. I find it quite dishonest on your part though, that you ignored both of my explanations and the fact that i admitted twice that i might be wrong. * * * > [@anon39921048](#): > > and a liar(because you lied,and keep try to lie,simple) Quote and point out where exactly i lie (and keep trying to lie). ---
**Author:** ![anon39921048](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/439d5e/32.png) [@anon39921048](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon39921048)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315/34 "2023-01-16T18:27:02Z")
Duelist sword is so great it hit faster and hard comparing to fs and has broken mobility,I used it when I was using surge sword,only swap to fs when I start to use purgatus.Duelist/fs are stars of melee weapon for psyker,axe is good too but not as good as duelist/fs imo ---
**Author:** ![JanZamoysky](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/janzamoysky/32/87926_2.png) [@JanZamoysky](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/JanZamoysky)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315/35 "2023-01-16T18:29:24Z")
This is how this thread is going to go. We all going to take turns in playing a little card game, blabbering about how psyker is good at that, vet at something else. How psyker is bad, because x or y. Meanwhile those of us who are fine with the available psyker player styles on Heresy and Damnation are going to continue playing and doing fine with it. Others will keep complaining they cannot outperform another class at some tasks. Eventually multiple balancing patches later the second camp will be still complaining they cannot press one button to win the game, whilst we are still enjoying the game. Good talk. ---
**Author:** ![anon39921048](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/439d5e/32.png) [@anon39921048](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon39921048)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315/36 "2023-01-16T18:30:05Z")
Agreed honorable brother Nerf something which is braindead and too easy to access,instead of buff something which if you good you can already make it as good as any other class,if not better Buff will break this game for good players and make another brainless class for bad players,lose lose ---
**Author:** ![JanZamoysky](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/janzamoysky/32/87926_2.png) [@JanZamoysky](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/JanZamoysky)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315/37 "2023-01-16T18:32:07Z")
Yes, I have learnt to appreciate the duelist sword after a dropped a good Mk V. The mobility is insane, and the heavy attack allows for some quick finishers on specific specials and elites. Shame Mk II and IV seem to be underperforming…or at least don’t fit into the playstyle I enjoy with it. ---
**Author:** ![anon39921048](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/439d5e/32.png) [@anon39921048](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon39921048)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315/38 "2023-01-16T18:33:34Z")
exactly this. Let them cry how they cant excel in something not because they lacking skill but something is bad while we clean damnation and have fun. As a former wow player,back in days I have seen plenty of scrubs,who cry how affliction warlock sucks in 3.3.5,when good affliction warlocks over dps firemages and fwars xd ---
**Author:** ![anon39921048](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/439d5e/32.png) [@anon39921048](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon39921048)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315/39 "2023-01-16T18:35:18Z")
Same here,I only used MK V irrc too,it is a shame that the only melee lower mark patern which isnt overshadowed by higher mark patern I know is heavysword MK VII vs MK IX…We need more weapon diversity instead of buff anything so people can easy abuse it ---
**Author:** ![Skaleek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Skaleek](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Skaleek)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315/40 "2023-01-16T18:55:53Z")
My issue with psyker is that peril is only a risk with no reward. If you’re going to juggle an extra mechanic in a class you should be rewarded for it. Also too much reliance in the feat tree on BB. Their tier 5 talents are subpar when compared to other classes. Tough regen is an issue for psyker, especially when you look at the amazing talents that zealot/ogryn/vet get for toughness regeneration. I also take issue with their damage increasing talent being 5-15% based on peril for a subset of force weapons. Look at the other classes damage buffs. 15%? Veterans can almost go into volley fire permanently and gain a 50% damage increase while doing so. 15% you won’t even get to utilize because you need to be over 97% peril to use it. Basically it equates to a 5-10% damage increase on force sword and staves. Kinda really bad. ---
**Author:** ![anon39921048](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/439d5e/32.png) [@anon39921048](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon39921048)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315/41 "2023-01-16T19:02:07Z")
It is a problem as I also mentioned above The downside of the psyker design is the bad synergy between its perks and its class features,there are many perks exist but have 0 impact,because it doesnt synergy with your class feature at all,so it will never be taken.The tier 5 talents,while the ascended blaze is well designed,synergy well and only well with purgatus soulblaze build,the pychic barrage is good too,but,it DOESNT synergy with any thing,literally anything.It has the same effect with every staff you choosed,it is so generic that it lose a lot of fun. The other lv30 talent which speed your F cd up,imo is a niche which only work when you decide to just go full tankness with peril block/block efficience/stamina/health/sprint efficiency.Virtualy useless in a normal damnation run Perks are bad,some are weak and there is few synergy with your class feature,but the fact is still that psyker if played correctly is not weak,if not stronger than other class.So thats why Im totaly against a buff to psyker,because a buff will make it clearly op and braindead even for scrubs ---
**Author:** ![Orpheus1772](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/orpheus1772/32/13811_2.png) [@Orpheus1772](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Orpheus1772)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315/42 "2023-01-16T19:16:34Z")
As long as charging BB with RMB can still be cancelled by pressing LMB when its not 100% full bar (and even then, I believe due to servers) and BB not staying at the same charge level when the enemy I initially targeted dies before I can release my BB and not use the already charged BB to target another enemy, the class will not be worth playing above Malice. ---
**Author:** ![anon39921048](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/439d5e/32.png) [@anon39921048](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon39921048)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315/44 "2023-01-16T19:30:56Z")
If your concern about psyker is only bb,or think bb is our main class feature/main damage source,then clearly your mentality didnt allow you to play above Malice And dont precharge it because you precharge it is equaly means you are not playing proactive which traslated into you are playing it wrong psyker is a versatil allrounder,a diferent,even superior version of what role zelote filling,NOT A SNIPER SNIPING THINGS WITH BRAIN BURST also you can lock-charge ai 97% peril without explode,precharge,you will [Previous page](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-is-not-weak-it-is-a-playstyle-skill-issue/73315.md?page=3)