# Please Fatshark, do something for the achlys **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Feedback\ **Created:** [October 26, 2024, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/please-fatshark-do-something-for-the-achlys/100528 "2024-10-26T13:39:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ralendil](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/ralendil/32/108313_2.png) [@Ralendil](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Ralendil)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/please-fatshark-do-something-for-the-achlys/100528/1 "2024-10-26T13:39:46Z")
Ok, I don’t think there are a lot of players here that play with Achlys. For now, I haven’t seen a single player using it. But, as usual, I like to test. So I tested it intensely. Let’s say it, I love this weapon. It is, by far, more interesting than the rashad and antax. It is also weaker than rashad and antax. In my opinion, there’s problems with the Achlys: 1. The weapon has **NO** cleave. Even the rashad is able to kill several groaners without BM. Not the achlys. 2. Heavy attacks. H1 is great. H2/H3 not at all. Please make all the heavy horizontal About the cleave, I don’t ask for the antax cleave. Just the rashad one, at least if you keep finesse as modifier (you could change it to cleave, but I don’t feel it needed). About the heavy attacks, to chain H1, you need to do sprinting attacks. However, lot of times, the character will start the H2. To return to H1, then you need to do a push attack (that is followed by an H1). This means, no decimator for this weapon, as it would be a disaster. And honestly the strikedowns of the achlys are clearly and totally vertical, so a lot less efficient than the Antax/Rashad **light swings** counterpart. The weapon does not need a damage boost, but sure, H2 and H3 should be aligned on H1. This thread is the continuation of the last one closed that you can find here: > [@Is it just me or is the Achlys combat axe a bit pointless?](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/is-it-just-me-or-is-the-achlys-combat-axe-a-bit-pointless/99920): > > I just tested it against the Rashad and the Antax. Despite having the “Finesse” attribute, its heavies feel notably slower than those of the Rashad’s, and just about on par with the Antax. This, in turn, means that its single-target DPS with heavies is much worse than the Rashad’s, and it doesn’t have the Cleave Targets attribute of the Antax, so it simply ends up being weaker than both. Is that a bug? ---
**Author:** ![DropIt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@DropIt](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/DropIt)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/please-fatshark-do-something-for-the-achlys/100528/2 "2024-10-26T15:16:53Z")
I like to play with the Achlys since the last change. It is really fun to play with and kinda replaced the OG Chainaxe on my Martyr Zealot. I use it with Thrust and BM. Going in with H1 and then spam lights on smaller groups with all the attackspeed feels great. For bigger hordes i use H1-L2-L3 repeat. It’s a nice combo and i highly prever it over the push-attack-H1 combo you mentioned (but i never was a fan of push-attack combos). to 1. i agree H1 could use some more cleave to 2. please don’t, i like the vertical heavies for all Ogryn sized and Maulers. Making it a heavy attack spam weapon with all horizontal heavies would make it less fun for me (even more if they buff heavy attackspeed as others mentioned in the other thread). I like the variety it offers right now. ---
**Author:** ![Pirx](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/pirx/32/96156_2.png) [@Pirx](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Pirx)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/please-fatshark-do-something-for-the-achlys/100528/3 "2024-10-26T18:41:40Z")
not just the achlys, but all of these neglected members of a family: mk2 club, mk6 ripper, mk6 cleaver, the marks no one takes because they’re clearly worse than the other models. ---
**Author:** ![DropIt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@DropIt](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/DropIt)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/please-fatshark-do-something-for-the-achlys/100528/4 "2024-10-26T18:56:46Z")
I tried the mk6 cleaver recently after not touching it for a long time because the heavies didn’t feel right. I don’t know when they changed it, but the heavies feel good now and the weapon does a good job. You may give it a try. Had fun with the mk6 ripper in a burn point-blank barrage build, too. (The build has some weakpoints and is not the strongest, but it was fun and that’s what should matter) It’s sad that so many weapon marks get neglected just because they are not BiS. ---
**Author:** ![aroth68](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/aroth68/32/33737_2.png) [@aroth68](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/aroth68)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/please-fatshark-do-something-for-the-achlys/100528/5 "2024-10-26T20:14:14Z")
Actually, you’re correct ; did some testing 'cause I’m not an expert with these axes. Results are : Rashad is almost identical in practice to the Antax because as soon as you feed it a little Power (as low as 5%), like with Headtaker, it gains similar Cleave values (2 Poxwalkers with one Light). The ‘Finesse’ Weakspot and Critical boost is negligible, however the Attack Speed boost is significant. Basically, with the Antax you don’t really need any Power Blessings, and the push-attack is GOAT, but you lose out on Attack Speed. Rashad is faster, but benefits from a little Power boost, and push-attack is meh. Achlys is just…terrible. No matter how much Power you feed it, max Cleave achieved is 1. Even on the Heavy. So it’s suuuper dependant on Bromentum. ---
**Author:** ![Ralendil](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/ralendil/32/108313_2.png) [@Ralendil](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Ralendil)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/please-fatshark-do-something-for-the-achlys/100528/6 "2024-10-26T21:27:24Z")
> [@DropIt](#): > > (even more if they buff heavy attackspeed as others mentioned in the other thread). I would not say it is needed. I don’t feel it is, and at all. I record good damages with this weapon. This is not at the antax/rashad level, for sure, but adding more attack speed would make it too strong in my opinion. At least, this is what I think after all these games with this weapon. For me, the biggest problem of Achlys is the total lack of cleave. > [@DropIt](#): > > to 2. please don’t, i like the vertical heavies for all Ogryn sized and Maulers. > Making it a heavy attack spam weapon with all horizontal heavies would make it less fun for me Fair enough. If players like that… I can use sprinting attacks (thanks to AHK script). But, in my experience, we loose with this a lot of efficience. If I asked it cause, normally, with vanilla settings, you have to chain H1 /H2 / H3 But if you use sprinting attacks, you always use the H1. > [@aroth68](#): > > Actually, you’re correct ; did some testing 'cause I’m not an expert with these axes. I tested before posting 😉 > [@aroth68](#): > > Achlys is just…terrible. No matter how much Power you feed it, max Cleave achieved is 1. Even on the Heavy. So it’s suuuper dependant on Bromentum. Basically, I don’t want a super cleave… I just want the cleave similar to rashad. It is far from extraordinary, but it would make BM not totally mandatory, even if I would not advice to go without it. But here, the weapon is strange. No cleave at all. That’s not serious for an axe. ---
**Author:** ![DropIt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@DropIt](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/DropIt)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/please-fatshark-do-something-for-the-achlys/100528/7 "2024-10-26T23:10:47Z")
> [@Ralendil](#): > > cleave similar to rashad yes, please > [@Ralendil](#): > > sprinting attacks I saw your video and tried it in the grinder, was interesting. I still prefer the overheads in the normal heavy chain for big enemies /single target. As all heavies have the same damage profile it doesn’t really matter. And for everything else i have the H1 / L / L combo, no need for a script/makro 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ralendil](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/ralendil/32/108313_2.png) [@Ralendil](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Ralendil)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 11:13pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/please-fatshark-do-something-for-the-achlys/100528/8 "2024-10-26T23:13:08Z")
> [@DropIt](#): > > And for everything else i have the H1 / L / L combo, no need for a script/makro 😉 I prefer H1 / H1 /H1 / push attack / H1 / H1 etc. With trust, you kill 1 to 5 enemies at each swing 😉 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/3/1/319a2f41b73f03a4d9360defbe43058888a33c8c.png) [@system](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2024, 11:13pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/please-fatshark-do-something-for-the-achlys/100528/9 "2024-11-09T23:13:46Z")
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