Ogryn balance should be delayed

[gpkgpk]

Oh my Emprah, I forgot about pre #13 stuff already. WayBack machine to the rescue Ogryn Skullbreaker Class Overview in Darktide - Darktide WH40k - Games Lantern
From Dec '22

Still sucked IMHO, fully charged attacks are SLOOOW and most ppl used the BBC 3 lights back then.

[Vodhawak]

@Murderer

Although it’s fine if you would rather have 50% coherency regen than 80% impact. It’s just not the fault of the tree if you do that, that’s all.

I would surly do, in fact I have already theoryctafted a better build than you offered, but consider 80% extra impact is like a pocket hammerblow? Be honest on how many weapons you use hammerblow when you can opt for more damage?

@Murderer

As I said, adjusting in this specific case means giving up 50% coherency regen. Stay honest. Your accusations of me being disingenuous are fully projected.

@Murderer

TL;DR You gain 4%-9% DR (up to 48% with adjustments). You gain 25 toughness. You gain significant toughness regen. You gain 5-17% TDR. You gain 14% (with adjustments, 29%) damage. You could gain 80% impact or 96% cleave. You gain 22.5% strength, almost matching headtaker

It’s you the one that needs to stay honest, you make it look here like you can get all those “up to” buffs together with adjustments to useless talents, when it’s not.

Anyway, let’s cut to the chase this is the best possible version of the build:

Trade coherency rigen for 25 toughness.
Furious for Beat them back, it’s a little improvement since the buff is more consistent.
Slam for soften them up (even if before was anyway possible to make this trade provided you don’t pick rock)
I’m addition you gain a “pocket headtaker” when you hit heads ,if not just 12% extra strength and 15% extra TDR toughness replenishment on ultimate usage but less ultimate usage.
Conclusion: Ogryn is undoubtedly buffed, this being massive, I have my doubts. But hei, if you see it as massive then good for you, you can settle for little.

@Murderer

What’s your retort to how Ogryn will likely be able to stunlock crushers with any melee wep now? Is that not a huge buff? Stunlock ragers with light attacks not a buff?

Feel free to think that you’re going to stunlock crushers, you are going to be disappointed.
Stunlock rangers is nice but plenty other ways to deal with them.

@Murderer

. I’d consider Headtaker to be more “difficult” to set up but these are both trivial conditions.

If you consider taking 5 hits in 10 seconds + always getting headshots it’s more trivial than hitting 5 times anywhere then I’m at loss of words.

@Murderer

Do you use T1 or T4? Let’s see your T1 slaughterer since you dont think 22.5% strength matters anyway.

Again fruitless discussion, + strength with 1 simple condition to activate is one thing + strength wit 3 conditions is another.
+22.5% is nice thing to have but it’s not reliable.

@Murderer

It probably counts blocking hits too

Yeah even cheering for the emperor at this point then. Why not?

@Murderer

@Vodhawak

Ogryn the strongest character in darktide, you heard it here first folks!

He has been for more time than he has not.

That pretty much seals deal on your competence in matters regarding Ogryn

[Murderer]

@Vodhawak

I would surly do, in fact I have already theoryctafted a better build than you offered, but consider 80% extra impact is like a pocket hammerblow? Be honest on how many weapons you use hammerblow when you can opt for more damage?

Lol, here it is. Guy thinks 80% impact isn’t worth it. Rest of your post is just 0 arguments and stupid attempts at digs anyway. Okay buddy, you’ll look back on how stupid that is soon. No point arguing with you if you genuinely think stunlocking every elite in the game has no value and isn’t a buff.
Enjoy your 15 toughness over 80% impact I guess lmao. Always the people making the dumbest decisions on the talent tree crying that they’re not good enough.

These sort of posts always remind me of how when the game came out, people were INSISTING that ogryn isn’t viable on “heresy+” (I loved that phrasing). “He gets shot to bits, he can only survive with a shield!”. Anyone actually into the game at that point knew Ogryn was the best character due to how charge worked and probably had the highest winrate then already.

[Jonn]

@Murderer

Guy thinks 80% impact isn’t worth it

Don’t know about everyone else but I really want to try out cleavers and the impactful keystone modifier.

[Murderer]

Yeah, actual playtesters are doing exactly this and saying it blows everything else out of the water. Other guy doesn’t seem to understand why impact buffs had to be nerfed on zealot.

[gpkgpk]

@Jonn

Don’t know about everyone else but I really want to try out cleavers and the impactful keystone modifier.

I think we all do, it could add a nice measure of security when slicing heads, like PS. It will be interesting to see it vs more cleave.

Related to this though, it kind of seems like the new talents are doing too much of the heavy lifting where maybe more stuff should have been at the base weapon template level.
This seems deliberate, overly deliberate. Same for the base top node toughness replenishment going from 20% to 15%, moving them further down to “get them back+more”.

[Imperator1]

I have looked further in what you showed and i must say you are right and i stand corrected.

The only thing i dont agree on is the nerf on the fire stack but again everything else you seem to be right, ill try later to Edit the post to reflect my mistake and your correction.