# Matchmaking is deteriorating because of penances **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 24, 2022, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/matchmaking-is-deteriorating-because-of-penances/59853 "2022-11-24T15:14:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![TimedParadox](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/timedparadox/32/54823_2.png) [@TimedParadox](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/TimedParadox)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/matchmaking-is-deteriorating-because-of-penances/59853/21 "2022-12-06T21:26:34Z")
New penance: Staple your scrotum to your chair and finish a game on heresy while juggling your mouse and keyboard for 2 minutes before extracting. Reward: A misplaced sense of accomplishment, a figurative dunce hat, and the approval of unlikeable tryhards on the forum. ---
**Author:** ![Mezmorki](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/mezmorki/32/20666_2.png) [@Mezmorki](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Mezmorki)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/matchmaking-is-deteriorating-because-of-penances/59853/22 "2022-12-06T21:35:19Z")
> [@TimedParadox](#): > > e penances in question are the ones tied to cosmetics. > > Even if they weren’t they’re completely asinine and unachievable in regular gameplay. > > Whoever green lit deserves to stub their toe on every piece of furniture until it is fixed. I recall a few challenges in VT2 being hard - but most of them just required taking a particular weapon and/or doing a particular mission at a particular difficulty. At least all the big ones that rewarded skins/cosmetics were this way. E.g. kill all four bosses with weapon X to get a new skin (no problem), or complete each level on Legend difficulty with character Y (okay, sounds good). There were some crazy tough ones, but those mostly just rewarded a small amount of coins that didn’t matter much if you did or didn’t complete it. And of course there were private lobbies if you did want to try and farm for something. DT needs private lobbies, the rest of the crafting system, and shared resources + weeklies like ASAP. I did a level 1 run today because I needed 300 experience to hit level 30. Lo and behold the lobby I joined had 3 other level 30s all rushing the level to complete weeklies. Thankfully there wasn’t a poor level 1 player in there! ---
**Author:** ![Brobotnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ce73a5/32.png) [@Brobotnik](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Brobotnik)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/matchmaking-is-deteriorating-because-of-penances/59853/23 "2022-12-06T21:37:50Z")
Can you all just focus on having fun with other people instead of being sweaty gamers going for meaningless cosmetics and shiny stickers? Granted, I’m not at 30 yet, but so far, I’m not having much trouble doing matches, and the penences I get are stuff you prog without thinking about it. ---
**Author:** ![muscarine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@muscarine](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/muscarine)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/matchmaking-is-deteriorating-because-of-penances/59853/24 "2022-12-06T21:40:05Z")
I know it’s a shoker to you but players play the game, and part of the game is completing the penances, especially the ones which reward cosmetics Mind blowing, i know ---
**Author:** ![Brobotnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ce73a5/32.png) [@Brobotnik](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Brobotnik)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/matchmaking-is-deteriorating-because-of-penances/59853/25 "2022-12-06T21:42:24Z")
Cool, so lets chill about the with the apparent issue that gameplay is being ruined for ppl and handwave it with “muh cosmeticus”. Just because you are allowed to do something doesn’t always make it a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![muscarine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@muscarine](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/muscarine)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/matchmaking-is-deteriorating-because-of-penances/59853/26 "2022-12-06T21:43:57Z")
No thank you, people will keep discussing it because they want it changed That’s how things, you know, change, and hopefully for the better And you posturing ain’t gonna fix matchmaking taking a hit in the process ---
**Author:** ![Brobotnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ce73a5/32.png) [@Brobotnik](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Brobotnik)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/matchmaking-is-deteriorating-because-of-penances/59853/27 "2022-12-06T21:45:15Z")
idk what you are even talking about, all I’m saying is that until they fix things, the best players can do is to stop thinking about cosmetics and gearmaxing and just have a good time playing while improving in the pace that is overall greatest for actually having a good time playing. ---
**Author:** ![muscarine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@muscarine](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/muscarine)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/matchmaking-is-deteriorating-because-of-penances/59853/28 "2022-12-06T21:47:05Z")
People keep talking about it because there hasn’t been ackowledgement, the best we got is a CM saying “well group up”, and in some cases some penances even got worse after feedback Me, i’m asking for better in game LFG altogether, because it’s not acceptable that a game claiming to be geared towards teamwork relies on Discord to organise proper matches ---
**Author:** ![Brobotnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ce73a5/32.png) [@Brobotnik](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Brobotnik)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/matchmaking-is-deteriorating-because-of-penances/59853/29 "2022-12-06T21:51:37Z")
Well, here is my very easy plan that you could also follow until things get fixed. 1. Play a class until 30 and find a difficulty you feel good with 2. Forget about cosmetics and gearmaxing 3. Explore how endgame is with your class 4. Level the other classes too 5. If you can’t have fun, play something else. VT was never the game i played the most for any lengthy period of time. I feel this format doesn’t lend itself well to that. The weeklies, the penences, the grinding, it seems like Fatshark are trying to add mmorpg element to this, thinking they can mold a 20-30 min adrenaline rush game to be your main game that you do stuff in all day. It’s a great game to play in bursts, that is imo what VT’s strength was and that’s still here. ---
**Author:** ![muscarine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@muscarine](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/muscarine)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/matchmaking-is-deteriorating-because-of-penances/59853/30 "2022-12-06T21:52:49Z")
Dude, i am at end game, i’ve played my Psyker 164 hours give or take a lot of camping at the shop I’m fine i’ll do without your true enjoyment gamers advices Man i wish you could block people on these type of forums ---
**Author:** ![Merdoc](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/merdoc/32/35469_2.png) [@Merdoc](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Merdoc)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/matchmaking-is-deteriorating-because-of-penances/59853/31 "2022-12-06T21:54:06Z")
You will **not** get these penances simply by playing normally. That’s the whole issue. ---
**Author:** ![Brobotnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ce73a5/32.png) [@Brobotnik](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Brobotnik)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/matchmaking-is-deteriorating-because-of-penances/59853/32 "2022-12-06T21:54:19Z")
Okay, well, you don’t sound particularly happy, and a fair bit sweaty as well. So hope whatever you are doing works out great for ya. Btw, loved your Darkest Dungeon mods, hope you’ll do stuff for the sequel too. Also, if I got the wrong muscarine then oops, embaressing haha ---
**Author:** ![muscarine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@muscarine](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/muscarine)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/matchmaking-is-deteriorating-because-of-penances/59853/33 "2022-12-06T21:54:55Z")
Yes, keep calling other gamers sweaty, while bickering with assiduity on a gamers forum Genius ---
**Author:** ![Brobotnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ce73a5/32.png) [@Brobotnik](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Brobotnik)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/matchmaking-is-deteriorating-because-of-penances/59853/34 "2022-12-06T21:55:23Z")
Okay you’re just being bitter now. Good night. ---
**Author:** ![Blackwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f14d63/32.png) [@Blackwell](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Blackwell)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/matchmaking-is-deteriorating-because-of-penances/59853/35 "2022-12-06T22:00:16Z")
Worst case scenario its going to end up as f2p shovelware cashgrab reject game in couple months to a year depending how low the playerbase gets. ---
**Author:** ![Kumori](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/kumori/32/13164_2.png) [@Kumori](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Kumori)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/matchmaking-is-deteriorating-because-of-penances/59853/36 "2022-12-06T22:23:24Z")
If players aren’t supposed to go for penances and challenges… then don’t give them to players. They are there to be done. So people will do them. ---
**Author:** ![TimedParadox](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/timedparadox/32/54823_2.png) [@TimedParadox](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/TimedParadox)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 3:08am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/matchmaking-is-deteriorating-because-of-penances/59853/37 "2022-12-07T03:08:32Z")
k bye, forget to write ---
**Author:** ![jaif](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@jaif](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/jaif)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 3:15am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/matchmaking-is-deteriorating-because-of-penances/59853/38 "2022-12-07T03:15:05Z")
Yes, many of the penances are actively disruptive to teamplay. Not challenging or handicapping, but active trolling. I hope Fatshark changes them, but I doubt it’s going to happen. Having said that, you people aren’t helpless actors forced to troll. You make your choices, self-centered as they may be. ---
**Author:** ![alsozara](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/alsozara/32/6944_2.png) [@alsozara](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/alsozara)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 3:29am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/matchmaking-is-deteriorating-because-of-penances/59853/39 "2022-12-07T03:29:57Z")
> [@jaif](#): > > Having said that, you people aren’t helpless actors forced to troll. You make your choices, self-centered as they may be. Thank you, this so much. They do suck and they should be reworked, but nobody is being held at gunpoint being forced to go into public games and ruin other peoples’ fun. The game offering you a new shirt for doing it doesn’t make that decision any less dubious. So to be clear, yes they should redesign them, no, the current design isn’t an excuse for literally anybody to be a clown and let Penances ruin the experience for themself or others. ---
**Author:** ![TimedParadox](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/timedparadox/32/54823_2.png) [@TimedParadox](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/TimedParadox)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 3:42am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/matchmaking-is-deteriorating-because-of-penances/59853/40 "2022-12-07T03:42:51Z")
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