# Maintaining Havoc Assignment Rank 40 is too easy, which is a huge problem **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 5, 2026, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/maintaining-havoc-assignment-rank-40-is-too-easy-which-is-a-huge-problem/121301 "2026-05-05T13:12:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Index](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/index/32/95844_2.png) [@Index](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Index)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/maintaining-havoc-assignment-rank-40-is-too-easy-which-is-a-huge-problem/121301/42 "2026-05-05T15:15:22Z")
> [@ChuanZi](#): > > spare us some suffering how exactly is losing the odd match “suffering”? like, winning isnt the default outcome and never should be or it becomes meaningless. last time i checked you learn and improve the most from mistakes and not repeating them. and no, not in the sense “i only allow surefire options into my team” mistakes what is warped in culture in the last 2 decades that people are entitled a win? ---
**Author:** ![ChuanZi](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/chuanzi/32/112154_2.png) [@ChuanZi](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/ChuanZi)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/maintaining-havoc-assignment-rank-40-is-too-easy-which-is-a-huge-problem/121301/43 "2026-05-05T15:15:42Z")
Yes, we all have our own definitions of what’s irresponsible. Personally, I think it’s pretty irresponsible to quickly commit suicide and quit a mission in Havoc, but of course, that’s just my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Index](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/index/32/95844_2.png) [@Index](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Index)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/maintaining-havoc-assignment-rank-40-is-too-easy-which-is-a-huge-problem/121301/45 "2026-05-05T15:18:58Z")
> [@EggFever](#): > > treat havoc like a job a job that needs severe help and lifting from everyone else also and even then doing everything to polish the outcome. couldn’t find any achievement in doing that 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Rvl](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/rvl/32/115814_2.png) [@Rvl](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Rvl)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/maintaining-havoc-assignment-rank-40-is-too-easy-which-is-a-huge-problem/121301/46 "2026-05-05T15:19:03Z")
I understand your point of view but you want to punish every single player just because some idiots exist. Even with derank present on h40, these idiots won’t completely dissappear, except now you have two problems-- both derank and bad players. By the way, Havoc in-progress leavers are complete scum. I’ve also met a fair share of them. I don’t mind bad players… but leavers? They should be banned if they leave more than a couple of times per season. ---
**Author:** ![SymboJones](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/symbojones/32/80251_2.png) [@SymboJones](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/SymboJones)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/maintaining-havoc-assignment-rank-40-is-too-easy-which-is-a-huge-problem/121301/47 "2026-05-05T15:22:47Z")
> [@darnmentart](#): > > People are just playing the game how they like, my guy! Don’t impose your broken will onto others! Don’t say that!!! They’ll come for you too!!! ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/f/0/f03a0bf694c190f8223e170767ca35a40ac8e0c5.png) Pointing to the irony in the “quit having fun” profile pic in a topic where OP is literally doing it, is enough to get you hidden it turns out 💀 🤣 “Offensive” “Abusive” “Hateful Conduct” On that note, how long til this one gets flagged too, I wonder 🤔 😂 ---
**Author:** ![temp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f04885/32.png) [@temp](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/temp)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/maintaining-havoc-assignment-rank-40-is-too-easy-which-is-a-huge-problem/121301/48 "2026-05-05T15:23:58Z")
> [@Index](#): > > you really got it backwards though hinting at the main issue itself. > a “real solo 40” is out of the capabilities of most players and but a few op talents I’m not talking about a real solo H40 — that’s Superman level. I’m just saying that an H40 player who loses two out of three games and an H40 player who loses nine out of ten are vastly different in skill, and the latter shouldn’t be able to mislead other players with a once-achieved H40 rank they can’t consistently maintain ---
**Author:** ![Awuga](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/awuga/32/98518_2.png) [@Awuga](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Awuga)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/maintaining-havoc-assignment-rank-40-is-too-easy-which-is-a-huge-problem/121301/49 "2026-05-05T15:24:20Z")
i remember one of the asian posters from the great plasma gun invasion said that when the asian players bring a new person into the game, part of their process is taking them into havoc and havoc 40 so they can get the rewards cache each week and have the resources to shortcut weapon progression like everyone else who has played a bunch does. That’s part of the motivation because apparently in a lot of cases, someone in the party actually cares about the havoc rewards, AND a shitty player who is unhelpful leaves a bad impression on the friend you’re trying to make interested in darktide. (this is also why a lot of the asian posters think the Plasma gun is the best gun in the game, the only viable vet gun, and the world will explode if it’s nerfed, because they were told to use it by their friend group, it was the first weapon they made, and they’ve literally never used anything else in havoc.) ---
**Author:** ![ChuanZi](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/chuanzi/32/112154_2.png) [@ChuanZi](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/ChuanZi)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/maintaining-havoc-assignment-rank-40-is-too-easy-which-is-a-huge-problem/121301/50 "2026-05-05T15:26:08Z")
> [@Rvl](#): > > punish every single player just because some idiots exist I just think this is one of the few ways to make those carefree trolls take a little more responsibility for their actions. Unfortunately, I can’t think of any better alternatives. I don’t have very high hopes for Fatshark. ---
**Author:** ![Enforest](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/enforest/32/73699_2.png) [@Enforest](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Enforest)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/maintaining-havoc-assignment-rank-40-is-too-easy-which-is-a-huge-problem/121301/51 "2026-05-05T15:28:25Z")
The problem “anti-meta” builds is that most people in pubs who use them are completely clueless about themselves and Havoc. They can’t even understand that meta is build around Havoc modifiers (RA is a gear check for anti-carapace, gas/pox bombers is for gold toughness, blight for stimms/beacon, etc) and not the other way around. They just parrot “meta bad” because they’ve heard that skill™ matters the most and demostratively join H40 Rotten Armor without any anti-carapace or builds they haven’t even bothered testing like Rvl said (I often see psykers doing that for some reason). You like to bring “do your 25% share”, which is obviously not what they are doing. At best they get hard carried, at worst just cause wipes because not everyone queued for solo/duo/trio. I was grossly misunderstood in the other Havoc thread, and the replies have gotten so stupid (just babysit them and teach them how to play in Havoc 40 lmao), but let’s just hold the devs accountable at least once and let people host own Havoc where they could chose any maps and modifiers they want. Crazy concept, you know, like those 20+ years old games had. Maybe then people woudn’t be so selective for their teammates when the game has rolled another carapace spam modifier for 5 maps in a row. ---
**Author:** ![ChuanZi](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/chuanzi/32/112154_2.png) [@ChuanZi](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/ChuanZi)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/maintaining-havoc-assignment-rank-40-is-too-easy-which-is-a-huge-problem/121301/52 "2026-05-05T15:28:30Z")
Can we focus on the content of the post instead of obsessing over witch hunts? What are you going to accuse me of next? Being a Nurgle heretic? ---
**Author:** ![ChuanZi](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/chuanzi/32/112154_2.png) [@ChuanZi](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/ChuanZi)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/maintaining-havoc-assignment-rank-40-is-too-easy-which-is-a-huge-problem/121301/53 "2026-05-05T15:30:22Z")
Interestingly, I play on the EU server, and I can’t imagine how wrong all these baseless speculations are. My ping is just way high to play on Asian servers. Can we get back to the main topic? ---
**Author:** ![Index](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/index/32/95844_2.png) [@Index](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Index)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/maintaining-havoc-assignment-rank-40-is-too-easy-which-is-a-huge-problem/121301/54 "2026-05-05T15:31:35Z")
yes and im telling you the true hav 40 material player, that has the skills to perform to his 25% shouldnt be punished cause hes lumped together with 3 worthless buffoons. whats not to understand about that. if you make dealing with people a shitty experience, they tend to quit dealing with them instead of brushing them off as a wasted 5 minute encounter. its not the good players fault the other dudes were failing. ---
**Author:** ![MarxistDictator](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/marxistdictator/32/106716_2.png) [@MarxistDictator](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/MarxistDictator)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/maintaining-havoc-assignment-rank-40-is-too-easy-which-is-a-huge-problem/121301/55 "2026-05-05T15:33:56Z")
Its another ‘I am a burden to others in game but you must follow my instructions’ havoc post. If you can’t carry you can’t coach either. ---
**Author:** ![Vror](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/vror/32/97172_2.png) [@Vror](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Vror)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/maintaining-havoc-assignment-rank-40-is-too-easy-which-is-a-huge-problem/121301/56 "2026-05-05T15:33:59Z")
Sweet summer child It used to be like this, and you know what people did? **Not play Havoc after completing their Havoc 40 weekly because otherwise they’d lose a rank** ---
**Author:** ![Rvl](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/rvl/32/115814_2.png) [@Rvl](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Rvl)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/maintaining-havoc-assignment-rank-40-is-too-easy-which-is-a-huge-problem/121301/57 "2026-05-05T15:34:12Z")
There’s nothing wrong with playing only to win. There’s nothing shameful about playing like that and using only strong weapons, despite what some forums people say. People play the mode for different reasons and with different philosophies in mind, and some just want to overcome H40 once per week, using a strong build they’re comfortable with playing. ---
**Author:** ![Index](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/index/32/95844_2.png) [@Index](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Index)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/maintaining-havoc-assignment-rank-40-is-too-easy-which-is-a-huge-problem/121301/58 "2026-05-05T15:34:26Z")
thing is, if joining, trying, failing, repeating was a matter of unlimited tries and a few minutes lost tops, people would be far more relaxed giving havoc a try. suckers will suck regardless but its as comedic a relief as in “lower” modes, whereas now you put curses on their bloodline appearantly 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![PSI2007](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/psi2007/32/64215_2.png) [@PSI2007](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/PSI2007)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/maintaining-havoc-assignment-rank-40-is-too-easy-which-is-a-huge-problem/121301/59 "2026-05-05T15:34:47Z")
Hehe. I still like that movie, but the story of it’s creation is really a special one: [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/X9Cg-upCQD8/hqdefault.jpg "The Island of Dr Moreau - The Most Disastrous Movie Ever Made") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9Cg-upCQD8) On topic: I think deranking is stupid and should be patched out yesterday. I also think the whole meta approach is boring and blocks people, who might actually have a good creative build from being able to join teams. I remember when I and a buddy of mine “discovered” the “Arbites-NoDog-Stagger/Electro-Mine-Build” when it was NOT considered META and repeatedly blocked from Havoc Runs, because and I quote (from one guy letting us in, but he had demands): _“Only META is worthy of my team. Change Class/Build.. blablabla…”_ Furthermore I think Havoc/the partyfinder/related penances overall needs a redo, because they really ignored, that IMO most people play with randoms. I play with randoms, because NONE of my buddies plays Darktide (anymore) and while I got no problem with that per se, I got a massive problem with either finding a match, with a host willing to take me and my bullshyte OR I got to take other peoples bullshyte. OP’s idea about a H40 derank would make all of that WORSE! No thx! Ironically I think HIAuric and both Operations and (dead!) Mortis Trials are more FUN(!) than Havoc in regards to players being able to roleplay a bit with their build/weapons. In short: I hate META and I don’t want to play Darktide as an E-Sport! ---
**Author:** ![Index](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/index/32/95844_2.png) [@Index](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Index)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/maintaining-havoc-assignment-rank-40-is-too-easy-which-is-a-huge-problem/121301/60 "2026-05-05T15:36:47Z")
> [@PSI2007](#): > > but the story of it’s creation well, kilmer was definately pushing it 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![ChuanZi](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/chuanzi/32/112154_2.png) [@ChuanZi](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/ChuanZi)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/maintaining-havoc-assignment-rank-40-is-too-easy-which-is-a-huge-problem/121301/61 "2026-05-05T15:37:53Z")
Let’s set aside for now just how simple Havoc 1.0 was, if it keeps troll players from joining, I don’t see any problem with it. ---
**Author:** ![DornIvanotic](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/dornivanotic/32/84585_2.png) [@DornIvanotic](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/DornIvanotic)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/maintaining-havoc-assignment-rank-40-is-too-easy-which-is-a-huge-problem/121301/62 "2026-05-05T15:38:05Z")
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