Leavers are plaguing the game

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@Riku

sure a step in the right direction but why not go all the way and go for the optimal solution?

I have no idea what the optimal solution is, like I said, Im not a game dev.
In general I have no idea how to solve the problem, all I know is that its not working right now.

@fuugesnamo

You literally can’t play this game solo.

This is incorrect, you can play solo and plenty of people do.
My initial suggestion was that you find likeminded people and play with them, instead of suffering grief from playing with randoms.

@fuugesnamo

I have no other recourse besides leaving the match.

Do you think this is a good thing?
Why shouldnt there be other options?

@fuugesnamo

Sometimes you get effed over by things completely out of your control either due to technical errors or other team mates. Sometimes a mutant throws you off the map. sometimes you die instantly due to poxburster or crusher that spawned behind you without any cue. Sometimes your team mates decide it’ll be funny to shoot a barrel sending you off a cliff. There’s many situations in which you did absolutely nothing wrong and still get punished for it. That’s not the fault of the player, but the fault of the game.

This is technically correct but also besides the point, I am talking hypothetical in regards to how the game should feel.

@fuugesnamo

You can’t control how other people feel.

In no way am I trying to control how people feel, I am bringing the point that game design that incentivizes antisocial behavior is bad for the games community.

@fuugesnamo

Some other other people leave the game when they die so they can requeue and play the game sooner again. That’s not the fault of the game, that’s just people just doing what they want.

It is partly if not entirely a fault of the game.
People are going to do what they want, I dont mind that. I do mind that people are rewarded for leaving, building habits that are hurtful to the games community.

[Sno]

So in your mind not rewarding someone is the same as punishment and not punishing someone is the same as a reward? That is certainly some kind of mindset.

[Brad9191]

@Pirx

Havoc is different though, you have to assemble a party and don’t have people join mid-gane, plus that terrible demotion, so leaving or trolling here has more consequences than in auric where you shrug and start a new game.

That is kind of true, but with a few minor caveats here. They do lose ranks if they just f-off basically, but the thing is by leaving you’re just a 3-man show & almost guaranteed to just wipe from that sabotage game, so it’s not too punishing for them in reality, they’ll shrug it off even by losing said ranks & just hop into the next game, no biggie to them. I don’t really see how that’s punishment enough, knowing that 40-Havoc isn’t exactly easy to complete with three guys unless they’re god-like. So, I find that losing ranks is really in the end; a drop in the proverbial bucket. Because people cannot join in Havoc’s which makes this even worse in hindsight 20/20 (Just theoretically speaking, I know it’s not designed like this). Especially with pubs & not with pre-mades. I don’t think it’s really enough, TBH. I don’t expect FS to do anything about this at all because it’s actually not too often that this happens, so all this arguing is really for nothing lol. I think I would suggest that people buddy up & try for pre-mades, so this isn’t as big of a deal. Sorry, introverts, it’s time to communicate & make friends lol.

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@Sno

So in your mind not rewarding someone is the same as punishment and not punishing someone is the same as a reward? That is certainly some kind of mindset.

That makes no sense. Can you try and explaing where you got this idea from?

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@Brad9191

I don’t expect FS to do anything about this at all because it’s actually not too often that this happens

I agree that fatshart probably isnt gonna do anything but it definetly is something that happens often.

[lw88]

@Haps

So you queue into games with to play with randoms, but you dont want to play with random people that dont meet your standard?

That’s literally not what I said. If you aren’t actually going to respond to the words that I wrote there’s no point in having any kind of discussion with you.

@weeping.moon

You’re not considering that the case of 3 noobs in your team on a high level difficulty shouldn’t be a normal situation.

Except it is. That’s why you join a game sometimes and that exact thing happens. That’s why I listed those two scenarios, because they happened recently. You’re arguing from a vacuum where everything is perfect and people only progress in difficulty when they’re actually ready, and you don’t get level 15 first timers trying damnation because that’s when it unlocks.

[weeping.moon]

@lw88

Except it is

Yes, but it just means this is the root of the problem.

@lw88

You’re arguing from a vacuum where everything is perfect and people only progress

No, i am arguing from the standpoint devs don’t adress not having any proper skill filter in the game and advanced tutorial, like trials. The time you need to grind for levels doesn’t correspond with skill level necessarily. Some people can grind 30 levels and learn nothing. And they will jump on the higher difficulties cause there is a motivation with higher rewards.

There is also no ingame indicators of how player is good or not, despite frames. True Level mod must be in the game.

When you jump on Havoc lobby filter and see a bunch of 30+50 level players lobby vs 30+1k level players, you know exactly what will happen.

Different powercreeps also assure people they are good when they aren’t.

As i already said, such situation didn’t exist in their previous game - Vermintide 2 with Cata.

@fuugesnamo

That’s not the fault of the game

It is. Because game does 0 things to filter out vastly unexpirienced players from the higher difficulties.

• Every difficulty needs a hand crafted solo trial for unlocking it (well not every, but starting form heresy probably)
• Account level, kinda like true level mod but a summary of all, not individual character
• Higher difficulties grant no additional materials/exp.
• Kill all powercreeps

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@lw88

If you aren’t actually going to respond to the words that I wrote there’s no point in having any kind of discussion with you.

I was asking a question litteraly derived from what you wrote. Im trying to understand your stance.
I dont think anyone should be forced to do anything or get banned, thats not my argument.
My argument is that the game should not incentivize leaving missions.