# Is anyone else confused as to why ogryn doesn't have access to grenadier and kickback with slab shields? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 6, 2025, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/is-anyone-else-confused-as-to-why-ogryn-doesnt-have-access-to-grenadier-and-kickback-with-slab-shields/115992 "2025-12-06T17:59:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Kriegsman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a88e4f/32.png) [@Kriegsman](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Kriegsman)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2025, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/is-anyone-else-confused-as-to-why-ogryn-doesnt-have-access-to-grenadier-and-kickback-with-slab-shields/115992/1 "2025-12-06T17:59:02Z")
It’s not just me that’s noticed this right? The models have grenadier gauntlets with shields and the middle talent tree shows an ogryn with a slab shield and a kick back, anyone else noticed this? ---
**Author:** ![Hrod-Ward](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/hrod-ward/32/83985_2.png) [@Hrod-Ward](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Hrod-Ward)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2025, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/is-anyone-else-confused-as-to-why-ogryn-doesnt-have-access-to-grenadier-and-kickback-with-slab-shields/115992/2 "2025-12-06T18:02:47Z")
Everyone noticed it, but it’s immeasurably complex for fatshart to make such an addition to the game. Just like, you know, a belt fed heavy stubber like the one shown on the left side of vet’s skill tree. Impossible to do! ---
**Author:** ![Index](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/index/32/95844_2.png) [@Index](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Index)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2025, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/is-anyone-else-confused-as-to-why-ogryn-doesnt-have-access-to-grenadier-and-kickback-with-slab-shields/115992/3 "2025-12-06T18:12:15Z")
what looks good (and works in tabletop I guess) and what balances well in the grand scheme of things (looking at you dueling sword) are two seperate things and I guess the defensive value, paired with the talent that taunts enemies upon blocking, dropping their ranged and try to engage in melee, would be such a case of “op” ---
**Author:** ![SymboJones](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/symbojones/32/80251_2.png) [@SymboJones](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/SymboJones)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2025, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/is-anyone-else-confused-as-to-why-ogryn-doesnt-have-access-to-grenadier-and-kickback-with-slab-shields/115992/4 "2025-12-06T19:07:26Z")
Yeah as others have said already, you’re not alone; I myself posed the question to the devs a couple of months ago here: > [@So now we know it's possible for a Ranged Weapon + Shield](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/so-now-we-know-its-possible-for-a-ranged-weapon-shield/113610): > > When are we getting a proper Bullgryn setup FatShark? I know people have asked over the years, but I’ve been away from here for a few months so forgive me if people have asked for this since Arbitrators dropped (though a quick search didn’t turn anything recent up). Since we have the Subductor + Shield and thus now know there’s functionality for aiming a ranged weapon with a shield raised, is it too much to ask for a Grenadier Gauntlet + Slab Shield setup again? For example: Left click tap →… Hopefully one day, but until then, who knows? ---
**Author:** ![Ragnarok101](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/ragnarok101/32/78147_2.png) [@Ragnarok101](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Ragnarok101)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2025, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/is-anyone-else-confused-as-to-why-ogryn-doesnt-have-access-to-grenadier-and-kickback-with-slab-shields/115992/5 "2025-12-06T21:45:43Z")
I would also like to have these. It would improve Ogryn stuff in general. ---
**Author:** ![Gideon404](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/gideon404/32/96699_2.png) [@Gideon404](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Gideon404)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2025, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/is-anyone-else-confused-as-to-why-ogryn-doesnt-have-access-to-grenadier-and-kickback-with-slab-shields/115992/6 "2025-12-06T21:59:19Z")
Yeah, the lore and tabletop representation is so limited for ogryns that combos of existing weapons (dual cleaver, shield and x etc) might be the simplest way for FS to get new ogryn weapons approved. I still think weaponised industrial tools would be cooler but I’ll take anything if the combos are good. ---
**Author:** ![Daiyus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f1d935/32.png) [@Daiyus](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Daiyus)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2025, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/is-anyone-else-confused-as-to-why-ogryn-doesnt-have-access-to-grenadier-and-kickback-with-slab-shields/115992/7 "2025-12-06T22:45:41Z")
Being able to use grenadier gauntlet and shield would be a most welcome addition to the Ovryn arsenal. ---
**Author:** ![Enclave](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/enclave/32/73043_2.png) [@Enclave](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Enclave)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 5:07am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/is-anyone-else-confused-as-to-why-ogryn-doesnt-have-access-to-grenadier-and-kickback-with-slab-shields/115992/8 "2025-12-07T05:07:15Z")
What a simple way to use existing assets to increase ogyrn’s incredibly limited weapon selection that literally fits into lore fatshark must abide to They could never ---
**Author:** ![eatingsand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/aca169/32.png) [@eatingsand](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/eatingsand)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 5:44am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/is-anyone-else-confused-as-to-why-ogryn-doesnt-have-access-to-grenadier-and-kickback-with-slab-shields/115992/9 "2025-12-07T05:44:31Z")
> [@Hrod-Ward](#): > > Just like, you know, a belt fed heavy stubber like the one shown on the left side of vet’s skill tree. Impossible to do! Don’t worry man, I heard they’re planning for a new vet weapon… …you know how a lot of people want a chainaxe that stays activated? ---
**Author:** ![DVD.exe](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/dvd.exe/32/116175_2.png) [@DVD.exe](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/DVD.exe)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 5:47am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/is-anyone-else-confused-as-to-why-ogryn-doesnt-have-access-to-grenadier-and-kickback-with-slab-shields/115992/10 "2025-12-07T05:47:10Z")
GG and Slab Shield seems super doable with how arbie shot pistol turned out. And crowbar showed you can just add different attack modes to anything. ---
**Author:** ![d9971](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@d9971](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/d9971)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2025, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/is-anyone-else-confused-as-to-why-ogryn-doesnt-have-access-to-grenadier-and-kickback-with-slab-shields/115992/11 "2025-12-08T09:07:49Z")
I’d more interested to see chain axe with shield. The ogryn still dont have single target weapon with revved attacks. Also I’d like to see the blocking better integrated into the combat system, because combat with shield in current game state is same dodge dancing like with any other weapon. Dodge may be performed at any moment of attack animation (while block isn’t available during swing), much less risky and does not require investment in perks. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/3/1/319a2f41b73f03a4d9360defbe43058888a33c8c.png) [@system](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2025, 9:08am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/is-anyone-else-confused-as-to-why-ogryn-doesnt-have-access-to-grenadier-and-kickback-with-slab-shields/115992/12 "2025-12-22T09:08:27Z")
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