# I wonder whether Fatshark will ever have the balls to nerf staves into the ground **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 10, 2025, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487 "2025-10-10T13:48:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SymboJones](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/symbojones/32/80251_2.png) [@SymboJones](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/SymboJones)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2025, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487/21 "2025-10-14T16:16:37Z")
_INFERNO??_ cringe. ## šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ”„ **RIFTHAVEN MK II PURGATUS** šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ”„ But nah to answer the OP thereā€™s arguably only one staff thatā€™s been an issue for as infinite a time as its cleave statā€¦ šŸ˜¬ ---
**Author:** ![Draconian](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/draconian/32/78095_2.png) [@Draconian](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Draconian)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2025, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487/22 "2025-10-15T11:21:37Z")
I wonder whether some of the posters on this forum take time to make compelling arguments before writing a post. My bet is no. ---
**Author:** ![Phracatti](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/phracatti/32/69579_2.png) [@Phracatti](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Phracatti)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487/23 "2025-10-16T14:17:20Z")
Itā€™s called common sense, no ā€œcompelling argumentā€ required. ---
**Author:** ![Dudebro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dudebro](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Dudebro)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2025, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487/24 "2025-10-17T07:20:16Z")
Iā€™m a Psyker main and as far as staffs go Voidblast is alright, Voidstrike is really good on aoe but still meh, Electrokinetic is a glorified peril generator and inferno is busted and boring to use. If I was to rate them Iā€™d say Inferno \> Voidblast \> Voidstrike \> Electrokinetic ---
**Author:** ![Phracatti](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/phracatti/32/69579_2.png) [@Phracatti](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Phracatti)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487/25 "2025-10-28T15:29:53Z")
![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/b/9/b94587e9a153ca88031288f403afaa30e011d403.jpeg) Nothing wrong with infinite cleave weapons scaling exponentially! ---
**Author:** ![DeathGuard75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb9ed0/32.png) [@DeathGuard75](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/DeathGuard75)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487/26 "2025-10-28T15:41:53Z")
The electokinetic, just needs a over haul. It does the same damage as the other staves, without the AoE, hitting multiple targets, with a stagger effect no less. Get rid of blitz and Purge staff, and replace them something interesting. ---
**Author:** ![aroth68](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/aroth68/32/33737_2.png) [@aroth68](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/aroth68)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487/27 "2025-10-28T15:49:27Z")
šŸ‘Œ (what game was this ? Auric or Havoc ?) ---
**Author:** ![Phracatti](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/phracatti/32/69579_2.png) [@Phracatti](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Phracatti)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2025, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487/28 "2025-10-28T15:53:38Z")
I doubt youā€™ll ever find an auric with 6.5m dmg dealt. Chasm logi garden cranial H40. And yes I know, garden will favor infinite cleave even more, but regardless, no damage distribution should ever look like that. Too many psykers running around with god complex lately as is. Playing an imbalanced class does not make you a better player boyoz! I donā€™t know whether it is because the overall havoc playerbase seem to have shrinked, but so many salty ones compared to before playing EU, itā€™s impossible not to notice. ---
**Author:** ![anon63448941](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@anon63448941](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon63448941)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2025, 2:18am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487/29 "2025-10-30T02:18:38Z")
> [@DeathGuard75](#): > > It does the same damage as the other staves, without the AoE, Pretty sure not having the AOE of the other staves actually means the Electrokinetic deals _less_ damage than the other staves - not that the Electrokinetic _should_ have the AOE of the other staves, much less the perma stagger Secondary has now. ---
**Author:** ![zircuits](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/f05b48/32.png) [@zircuits](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/zircuits)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2025, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487/30 "2025-10-30T23:57:34Z")
Tbh the damage distribution is just inflated numbers due to the fact that all the enemies are healing the damage you have dealt over and over again. Doesnā€™t mean itā€™s balanced but playing psyker like that means a lot of damage inefficiency. ---
**Author:** ![Terrorgheist](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/terrorgheist/32/109258_2.png) [@Terrorgheist](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Terrorgheist)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487/31 "2025-10-31T00:22:50Z")
I think an absolutely amazing way to balance Purgatus Staff out would be to keep it as strong as it or maybe make it strongerā€¦. b u t ā€¦.have it deal Friendly-Fire Damage above xy Difficulty like in Vermintide Siennas Flamethrower Staff does. Or have it generate Peril way more quickly. And the primary Attacks short burst Stagger should be reduced. But all else i think the DMG, Debuff with Soulblaze Combination etc is fine, just make it more riskier to use instead of just carelessly spam it the entire time. Usually i do have to admit to not be on the Nerf Side and more on the Fun Side but even i see Purgatus Staff is kinda busted because it has zero risk to it as well. Imagine Zealots Flamer but without the time to brace it, no Ammo to consider and Talent Perks alongside it making it even stronger. ---
**Author:** ![Terrorgheist](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/terrorgheist/32/109258_2.png) [@Terrorgheist](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Terrorgheist)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487/32 "2025-10-31T00:32:38Z")
But all the other Staffs i think are fine and donā€™t need a nerf. Voidstrikes could even need some Buff imo. Voidblast i donā€™t have an Opinion on because i barely played it. Electrokinetic Staff seems fine as it is for me. And also either Voidstrike or Voidblast need a new Staff Model. Both are (almost) 1:1 identical. ---
**Author:** ![DeathGuard75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb9ed0/32.png) [@DeathGuard75](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/DeathGuard75)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487/33 "2025-10-31T01:19:18Z")
Electokinetic is the weakest of the lot, and itā€™s auto-aim is abysmal. ---
**Author:** ![DeathGuard75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb9ed0/32.png) [@DeathGuard75](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/DeathGuard75)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 1:31am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487/34 "2025-10-31T01:31:40Z")
I find the staff way to random. Its auto aim usually picks the least threating thingā€¦ Rager coming at you? Not a problem, it will target some trash a mile away picking itā€™s nose. ---
**Author:** ![anon63448941](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@anon63448941](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon63448941)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487/35 "2025-10-31T01:45:33Z")
> [@DeathGuard75](#): > > I find the staff way to random. Its auto aim usually picks the least threating thingā€¦ it should receive the Brain Burst targeting mechanic with a similar visual cue indicating the current target, but an electric flair to differentiate between the two. > [@How can a psyker survive from havoc 40 if FS nerf smite and inferno staff?](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/how-can-a-psyker-survive-from-havoc-40-if-fs-nerf-smite-and-inferno-staff/113741/62): > > We agree, Electrokinetic should be a single target focused staff. The issue with Electrokinetic just gaining damage on attack is itā€™s high rate of fire, very strong stagger and strong aim assist (though the aim assist is inconsistent). Balancing To compensate for a buff like the one suggested below, stagger on hit should be reduced dramatically against Ogryns. After being staggered once, Ogryns should receive stagger immunity against Electrokinetic for a period of time. Also, base charge timā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![xscyther](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/f19dbf/32.png) [@xscyther](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/xscyther)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 1:55am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487/36 "2025-10-31T01:55:03Z")
itā€™s not inefficient if youā€™re focusing the purples in the group with the fire stream, once they die, the rest of the enemies with high soulblaze will quickly die without the heals and itā€™s often easier to just burn away rather than switch to melee unless itā€™s crushers. Doesnā€™t make it any more balanced ---
**Author:** ![zircuits](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/f05b48/32.png) [@zircuits](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/zircuits)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487/37 "2025-10-31T11:53:42Z")
Itā€™s inefficient because there are better builds that oneshot enemies or kill much faster than they heal, and with perilous combustion by the time youā€™ve wiped out the healers youā€™ll have enough stacks on crushers with uncanny strike that youā€™ll be doing much more damage than just purgatus would be doing. It just doesnā€™t matter because usually you have 3 other players holding everything back for you or you have room to kite, either way you will eventually win. ---
**Author:** ![DeathGuard75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb9ed0/32.png) [@DeathGuard75](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/DeathGuard75)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487/38 "2025-10-31T20:15:56Z")
I think this where things go wrong, nothing should be one shotting crushers or any really tough stuff, unless it is specialized equipment. Which should be highly restricted and slow to use. ---
**Author:** ![zircuits](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/f05b48/32.png) [@zircuits](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/zircuits)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487/39 "2025-10-31T21:05:45Z")
Psyker has been incredibly busted even before patch 13, and the power level has only risen, and every class has been slowly upgraded to their power since patch 13. Itā€™s probably an entirely new discussion from this one, focused on staves, to turn it into another ā€œPsyker has completely ruined darktide and its future due to devā€™s inability to balance the gameā€ discussion, but with the context of staves, it should be mentioned that despite how overpowered and broken and braindead staves are, itā€™s also on the class that has the strongest melee options in the game available to it with blessings that make armor inert and boosts power globally. This class needs a huge rework. It has very few actual, realistic restrictions in gameplay, compared to any other class. ---
**Author:** ![Jet-upper](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/jet-upper/32/104546_2.png) [@Jet-upper](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Jet-upper)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487/40 "2025-10-31T21:33:18Z")
I agree that psyker is uber strong,what are you thinking when it comes to balancing Psyker? Tying peril to health in some way or just a more global nerf to the class in general? [Previous page](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/i-wonder-whether-fatshark-will-ever-have-the-balls-to-nerf-staves-into-the-ground/113487.md?page=3)