# Helbore Lasgun Improper damage to Carapace and Unyielding armor types

**URL:** <https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/helbore-lasgun-improper-damage-to-carapace-and-unyielding-armor-types/71960>\
**Category:** Bugs\
**Tags:** acknowledged\
**Created:** [January 1, 2023, 4:56am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/helbore-lasgun-improper-damage-to-carapace-and-unyielding-armor-types/71960 "2023-01-01T04:56:42Z")\
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**Author:** ![Flippant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e495f1/32.png) [@Flippant](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Flippant)\
**Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 4:56am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/helbore-lasgun-improper-damage-to-carapace-and-unyielding-armor-types/71960/1 "2023-01-01T04:56:42Z")

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**Issue Description:**  
as demonstrated in image Damage against Carapace and Unyielding type enemies far higher than stated value, about 50% over on the mark 1, several 100% over on the mark 3.

It is a better Armor Killer than the Plasma Gun, this is not intended behavior as per weapon stat screen.

**Steps to Reproduce:**

1. Equip Helbore Lasgun, true of all Marks, III is more egregious

**Mission Name (If Applicable):**

**Platform:**  
Steam

**Player ID:**  
([Steam Community :: Startling Incompetence](https://steamcommunity.com/id/flippantjoe/))

**Approx. Time of Issue & Timezone:**  
12/31/2022 ~1900 GMT-6

**Reproduction Rate:**  
100%

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**Author:** ![Guziol](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/guziol/32/11381_2.png) [@Guziol](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Guziol)\
**Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/helbore-lasgun-improper-damage-to-carapace-and-unyielding-armor-types/71960/2 "2023-01-01T12:16:45Z")

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I’m pretty sure the stopping power stat is only for uncharged shot and charged shot has different damage table that is not shown and the big chart drafts both actions from uncharged stopping power for calculations. At least that’s my assumption.  
If charged hellbore would deal the displayed amount of damage they would be a dead class of weapons in my eyes. Absolutely no upside over regular lasguns and such.

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**Author:** ![CommanderJ](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/commanderj/32/13959_2.png) [@CommanderJ](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/CommanderJ)\
**Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/helbore-lasgun-improper-damage-to-carapace-and-unyielding-armor-types/71960/3 "2023-01-01T13:39:06Z")

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Yeah this is the only thing making the Helbores viable at all, especially the slower firing/charging ones like the MkIII.