# Havoc first impression **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Feedback\ **Created:** [December 3, 2024, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/havoc-first-impression/102307 "2024-12-03T12:45:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jado](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/jado/32/120644_2.png) [@Jado](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Jado)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/havoc-first-impression/102307/1 "2024-12-03T12:45:26Z")
Heyo! Firstly: I do not want to be negative, but Havoc hasn’t been particularly engaging so far, and the party finder—which we were aware of would be a part of Havoc—is what it is. Sayin that; I understand that this is a very personal perspective, but if this is what Havoc turned out to be, I think it may have been the wrong thing to focus development time and effort on.’ It’s the same game we’ve been playing now for a year with some added modifiers. I hoped that we would get some changes here. Why should I play Havoc over Auric Maelstrom? ---
**Author:** ![jackjackson](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/jackjackson/32/89262_2.png) [@jackjackson](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/jackjackson)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/havoc-first-impression/102307/2 "2024-12-03T12:50:57Z")
It’s absolutely terrible: - Party finder is tedious to use. - No quickplay makes this even worse - Rank progress only counting for the person ‘hosting’ makes this an absolutely atrocious grind Who the f thought this was ok? I have to find 30 parties to finally get to the damnation difficulty using the terrible af party finder? And when I manage to finally find a party, I’m the only one that gets progress on havoc rank? Why would anyone want to join another team then? Oh right. Because you made a seperate penance tied to ‘assisting’ other players, that rewards the cosmetic. I can’t even play the goddamn game the way and the difficulty I want without having to spend 30x 15-20 minutes to wade through malice and heresy. What the f is this ‘player agency’. I want the person responsible for your retention metrics to get brutalized by a beast of nurgle. Simple as. @FatsharkStrawHat this isn’t addressed to you but did someone hit you guys on the head? ---
**Author:** ![Jado](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/jado/32/120644_2.png) [@Jado](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Jado)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/havoc-first-impression/102307/3 "2024-12-03T12:54:52Z")
I have too agree unfortunately… Because the lower Tiers are so incredibly easy, it is been incredibly dull thus far. Nothing can kill you and you one shot everything due to the enemies not having any HP. ---
**Author:** ![Zoralink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@Zoralink](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Zoralink)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/havoc-first-impression/102307/4 "2024-12-03T12:58:35Z")
Wait, it doesn’t start at a _baseline_ of damnation or something? It’s effectively scaling up starting from sedition at 1? ---
**Author:** ![Jado](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/jado/32/120644_2.png) [@Jado](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Jado)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/havoc-first-impression/102307/5 "2024-12-03T13:03:19Z")
Edited: apparently not, feels like I’m playing Malice. Why would I want to start over and do this each week when I instead could jump straight into Auric Maelstrom and have fun? Anybody who has ever played with me knows that I am not an exceptionally skilled player or anything of the sort, but I can hold my own in Auric Maelstrom just fine. Havoc is not fun so far, at least for me. ---
**Author:** ![jackjackson](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/jackjackson/32/89262_2.png) [@jackjackson](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/jackjackson)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/havoc-first-impression/102307/6 "2024-12-03T13:05:39Z")
> [@Zoralink](#): > > Wait, it doesn’t start at a _baseline_ of damnation or something? > > It’s effectively scaling up starting from sedition at 1? No - Ranks 1 to 10 are Malice difficulty - Ranks 11 to 20 are Heresy difficulty - Ranks 21 to 30 are damnation difficulty > **[Steam Community :: Guide :: Havoc Modifiers](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903)** > > Show and hidden modifier effects... ---
**Author:** ![Zoralink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@Zoralink](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Zoralink)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/havoc-first-impression/102307/7 "2024-12-03T13:08:15Z")
Just when I thought I couldn’t be less interested, good lord. ---
**Author:** ![TrueZealot](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/truezealot/32/63618_2.png) [@TrueZealot](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/TrueZealot)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/havoc-first-impression/102307/8 "2024-12-03T13:13:45Z")
I cant even play a game without disconnecting a few times. I aint tryna risk havoc penalties. ---
**Author:** ![Jado](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/jado/32/120644_2.png) [@Jado](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Jado)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/havoc-first-impression/102307/9 "2024-12-03T13:15:29Z")
> [@jackjackson](#): > > - Ranks 1 to 10 are Malice difficulty > - Ranks 11 to 20 are Heresy difficulty > - Ranks 21 to 30 are damnation difficulty * * * ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/9/6/96582956c48f0a95333d1fa4d0c2990a47428598.jpeg) * * * I do not think what you said is accurate because, as a rank 11, I am able to host an Auric Damnation Havoc mission and it’s way too easy. ---
**Author:** ![jackjackson](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/jackjackson/32/89262_2.png) [@jackjackson](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/jackjackson)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/havoc-first-impression/102307/10 "2024-12-03T13:22:04Z")
That’s only what you define for your party finder. The actual map difficulty is tied to your havoc level. Havoc 11 is NOT auric damnation. I just played it and all enemies hat way less health compared to Damnation. Density was also not nearly there. Check the steam guide. It’s from one of the testers that datamined the stats apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Amelia](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/amelia/32/35846_2.png) [@Amelia](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Amelia)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/havoc-first-impression/102307/11 "2024-12-03T13:24:41Z")
yea progress tied to host only its just bad and no sense needs to be addressed ---
**Author:** ![Amelia](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/amelia/32/35846_2.png) [@Amelia](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Amelia)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/havoc-first-impression/102307/12 "2024-12-03T13:27:34Z")
decision that makes you want to solo since only the host benefits from it but there is not the ability to even start private solo games…so forcing people to join to alternate in order that everyone get the progress lol… with a forced long grind ---
**Author:** ![dwOd\_v4nd4hl](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/dwod_v4nd4hl/32/100854_2.png) [@dwOd\_v4nd4hl](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/dwOd_v4nd4hl)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/havoc-first-impression/102307/13 "2024-12-03T13:28:31Z")
this is insane wtf^^ I wont be playing Havoc then (apart from testing it out)… really sad tbh ---
**Author:** ![JanZamoysky](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/janzamoysky/32/87926_2.png) [@JanZamoysky](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/JanZamoysky)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/havoc-first-impression/102307/14 "2024-12-03T13:28:50Z")
God…this feels like Winds of Wasted Time all over again. ---
**Author:** ![CataTwitchOnly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7cd45c/32.png) [@CataTwitchOnly](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/CataTwitchOnly)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/havoc-first-impression/102307/15 "2024-12-03T13:31:12Z")
> [@jackjackson](#): > > It’s absolutely terrible: > > - Party finder is tedious to use. No tags for havoc. Can’t define a havoc range > - No quickplay makes this even worse > - Rank progress only counting for the person ‘hosting’ makes this an absolutely atrocious grind Like honestly dude who approved this sh. its literally the worst thing ever. How do you fail on something so basic as host only rank progress. Thats UBER ret4rd3d jesus christ man. > [@jackjackson](#): > > - Ranks 1 to 10 are Malice difficulty > - Ranks 11 to 20 are Heresy difficulty > - Ranks 21 to 30 are damnation difficulty Im literally soloing maelstrom damnation and your new mode wants me to play malice for 100 minutes. INSANE ---
**Author:** ![FatsharkStrawHat](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/fatsharkstrawhat/32/85671_2.png) [@FatsharkStrawHat](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/FatsharkStrawHat)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/havoc-first-impression/102307/16 "2024-12-03T13:31:30Z")
To clarify something: I’ve seen some people misunderstanding something about Havoc. When you play with a party and successfully complete it, then the owner of that mission will see their Clearance Rank go up immediately. The remaining players will see their Rank go up the following week. It isn’t that they have no progress at all. THAT SAID, I know a lot of people are unhappy and trust me I’m writing down all the comments and they’re being pushed to the team. ---
**Author:** ![CataTwitchOnly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7cd45c/32.png) [@CataTwitchOnly](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/CataTwitchOnly)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/havoc-first-impression/102307/17 "2024-12-03T13:33:14Z")
> [@FatsharkStrawHat](#): > > To clarify something: I’ve seen some people misunderstanding something about Havoc. When you play with a party and successfully complete it, then the owner of that mission will see their Clearance Rank go up immediately. The remaining players will see their Rank go up the following week. It isn’t that they have no progress at all. So theres literally no point in playing, then find some idiot who grinded out 20+ ranks, üplay 1 mission with that guy so you actually get progress and MAYBE you can queue that next week?! Like WHAT? ---
**Author:** ![jackjackson](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/jackjackson/32/89262_2.png) [@jackjackson](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/jackjackson)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/havoc-first-impression/102307/18 "2024-12-03T13:33:19Z")
> [@FatsharkStrawHat](#): > > THAT SAID, I know a lot of people are unhappy and trust me I’m writing down all the comments and they’re being pushed to the team. If this isn’t fixed before the winter break you can tell your retention guy to go f himself. ---
**Author:** ![JanZamoysky](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/janzamoysky/32/87926_2.png) [@JanZamoysky](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/JanZamoysky)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/havoc-first-impression/102307/19 "2024-12-03T13:33:35Z")
> [@FatsharkStrawHat](#): > > To clarify something: I’ve seen some people misunderstanding something about Havoc. When you play with a party and successfully complete it, then the owner of that mission will see their Clearance Rank go up immediately. The remaining players will see their Rank go up the following week. It isn’t that they have no progress at all. > > THAT SAID, I know a lot of people are unhappy and trust me I’m writing down all the comments and they’re being pushed to the team. Please pass a comment from the community to the decision makers at Fatshark: “Say NO to FOMO/RNG based game design” A lot of us want player agency in all game systems from itemisation and mission / difficulty modifier selection. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![CataTwitchOnly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7cd45c/32.png) [@CataTwitchOnly](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/CataTwitchOnly)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/havoc-first-impression/102307/20 "2024-12-03T13:34:07Z")
Its freaking weaves all over again dawg. Absolutely nuts. Actually this is WORSE than weaves. Weaves had simultaneous progress. [Next page](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/havoc-first-impression/102307.md?page=2)