I want to make it clear—I’m not trying to act superior. I just happened to see a streamer reading the forums and saying that I’m just showing off. That’s not my intention at all. I’m simply discussing balance.
Havoc 40, as the highest difficulty in the game, is currently far too easy. I often see players below level 100 clearing it. People are relying on unbalanced, overpowered gear and builds to get through. I think this difficulty should be tuned so that only the most highly skilled players can clear it—not a bunch of players with poor fundamentals, who can’t find supplies, can’t remember bind points, and just brute-force their way through with cheesy loadouts.
The difficulty should be raised to the point where if you can’t dodge gunner fire, you get instantly deleted—instead of relying on smoke grenades to completely disable enemy AI. If you can’t block or dodge, you should be killed by basic enemies, rather than having Zealots spam prayer to make enemies unable to attack. The latest Ogryn buffs are completely unreasonable—newbies can just use grenade launchers to blow through Havoc 40 enemies without any effort.
Many players even believe that clearing the highest difficulty using cheesy builds means they’re actually skilled. They think that just because they’ve played a few hundred hours, they deserve to beat the hardest content. But if you banned their cheesy strats, they’d wipe at the start. That simply isn’t reasonable.
Havoc really is the mode to see whos peepee is the biggest, isn’t it. God forbid! someone performs the same as you -a skilled player- with unbalanced gear.
Snark aside, overpowered outliers should be nerfed for the health of the game, but please don’t balance the game around Havoc.
Sub-100 chars in H40 are more likely just alts of havoc-only players as havoc barely gives any exp. If you’re truely worried there’s a mod now to show a player’s current havoc assignemnt level.
This may be paranoia speaking, but the writing style and overall tone of this post feels very strongly like another one of those bait post from that community.
@Incandescent tagging early to give a heads up in case my read of the vibe here is correct. Cause if so I expect this thread to deteriorate and need locking real quick.
This mode is really boring—I hate it. The forced team play and demotion mechanics make it absolutely terrible. You have to gamble on your teammates’ skill levels. You let three players with Havoc 40 titles join your squad, and they turn out to be total noobs who all die right at the start. It’s infuriating, especially when the mission failure causes you to de-rank.
I don’t see any problem with that. Some players clear the game using cheesy gear, then feel good about themselves and think they’re highly skilled. They join other players’ lobbies, but the moment those teammates don’t use the exact setup that carried them through H40, they immediately fall apart and ruin the experience for everyone else. H40 should be a wake-up call for these players, showing them how much they still need to improve—not a way to feed their ego.
So if it’s that easy, then solo a match — don’t even pick anyone up, let them be ashamed watching you clear the whole thing from the first room to extraction while they get teleported from one respawn point to the next
forced team play, in a coop 4 player pve game, my god say it aint so. guys hes starting to understand you shouldnt be able to solo a game meant to be done with 4 people on the highest difficulty. wow, sry butt this is just so funny to me.
I mean, I totally understand the frustration but that has nothing to do with how havoc is balanced or that there is a solution for it. This would be the thing in ANY coop game where the difficulty is too high for a single player to carry and requires teamplay. There will always be people that completely overestimate themselves and join H40 lobbies, that’s a people problem, not Fatsharks fault.
Definitely agree that this is a severe problem and it can only be fixed by a much harsher demotion system. Get them noobs demoted away from hvc40 and don’t let them hide behind the clearance level. Display only the current assignment level!
Oh, interesting how exactly is your META weapon and class gonna save you when the game decides to kill you? Let’s paint a picture: you’ve got the Twins plus 3 bosses on your ass (yeah, that happens a lot). What do you do?))))
And what does a character’s level even have to do with what they’re using? Who cares if they like the Inferno staff, let 'em use it. If they like Ogryn with taunt, same deal. And by the way it’s funny how you say Havoc 40 is “too easy,” yet you’re FORCED to rely on your team. That’s giving me some serious dissonance, and it raises a few questions. Maybe Havoc just isn’t your mode?
If there was one thing I could Ghost Rider penance stare into every Darktide player’s mind, especially those who think they know how the game is balanced, it would be this.
This was when I knew you weren’t serious. Like you don’t even realise that people can have a lvl 1800 ogryn but be lvl 45 on veteran. This is just bait.
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