Feedback - After 4 weeks of not playing DT

[SymboJones]

Mostly outside of what @CH3DD4R_G0B-L1N reminded me of, this is some of the stuff that I can’t say I understand still overall.

Summary

@MixedLetters

Arbite has the dog, which means (while it’s a bit delayed at time), you don’t need to utilize ammo/as much ammo dealing with specialists, they just passively die around you.

The dog doesn’t just effect Vets on the team by taking away a potential specialist kill though, especially when at higher difficulties the AI director constantly vomits them at you. On top of which, you can still shoot/bonk a pinned special and take the kill yourself if it’s that important, e.g. it’s somehow the only potential Tactical Awareness proc available at the time.

Summary

@MixedLetters

Place on top of all that they have more regen/more ways to regen toughness than veteran and have the privilege (like everyone else) of getting hit and still keeping their regen, have VASTLY more DR, more HP

So this is just an issue with Veteran at base then, and not the Arbitrator uniquely dunking on Vet? Ogryns and Zealots also fit this criteria.

Summary

@MixedLetters

A ‘not today’ talent node made exclusively for havoc that prevents 1’shots from any source (can’t lose more than 50 HP at a time)

That’s just a unique DR passive on a class. What does that have to do with Vet specifically?

Summary

@MixedLetters

infinitely better (after the rework) Tactical Awarness if you decide to take Execution Order (which you more often than not do, or just decide you don’t need it and take Forceful instead and become immortal regardless of if your Castigators is up or not).

The TA vs EO is somewhat understandable, I guess FS thinking is that because TA is just a node on the tree, it’s more universal for builds as opposed to sacrificing a keystone slot? Idk.

As Cheddar said, I can see why Vets might be a bit miffed with the secondary CS nodes that buff ranged. Personally I’ve never liked the ability’s design either way.

Summary

@MixedLetters

Veteran had ‘their job’ functionally removed by a class that can do it easier, safer, and being WAY more forgiving, while saving all of their ammo for the real threats so you still have a functional Survivalist going since your team doesn’t often have to fire a shot except against Ogryns/Monstrosities.

Job as in Special & Ranged killing? If that’s what you mean, I’m inclined to disagree. While the Dog’s TTK can be quite quick if built for it, there are still (usually) far too many targets to let it solo one at a time, while stuff like the Plasma gun still exists for these purposes. If anything, surely the dog lessening the weight on the Vet allows Survivalist to stretch even further in limited ammo situations like Havoc?

Summary

@MixedLetters

the dog grenade regens itself and you can take lone wolf to regen the other two, and Veteran sits there crying (quite literally, their purpose is a shout cooldown they have to try VERY hard not to constantly be dropping)

Yeah the Dog bomb can be really good, but surely if the player has sent the dog off to deal with Specials and Ranged “taking away the Vet’s job”, then how can the dog bomb at that moment be used in the same manner of knocking everything away around you, in a similar manner to Shout, if that’s what you’re referring to here?

Pocket Smyker is definitely another thing they need to look at and yes it’s only exacerbated by Lone Wolf giving you 3 plus regen, but of course, that gets rid of the dog. So in that case, do Vets get their job back?

Summary

@MixedLetters

yet still they don’t really do anything Arbite just doesn’t do better. The only thing they can do uniquely/most effectively is stand there yelling with Survivalist equipped, otherwise they are outclassed in every way. Instead of nerfing Shout they decided ‘break their bones every other possible way’, so they don’t get toughness regen without earning it (unlike everyone else), they don’t get DR without earning it (unlike everyone else), they don’t get CDR without forever laser focusing on specifically specialists and having ONLY THEM get the kill (unlike everyone else), and their only trade off is dropping a monstrosity slightly faster. It’s insanely depressing. And with Arbite being the paid class I don’t expect it to change unfortunately.

I really can’t say I feel the same way; Tactical Awareness’ proc limitations (only the Vet themself) is the only thing I’d agree on.

As for this though:

they don’t get DR without earning it (unlike everyone else)

I mean Close Order Drill & Iron Will Exist

Summary

@MixedLetters

for fun doesn’t often cut it when you spend half the match on the floor

I can’t say I’ve ever really had that issue, nor been forced to “play perfectly to do the same thing as everyone else does for breathing”.

Ah well, different strokes, different folks.