It is Grendyls ship as long as he requires it, you people need to read up on what an Inquisitorial Rosette is.
Arbites have notoriously poor relations with non-puritan Inquisitors. They fanatically believe, in general, that the Lex is the will of the Emperor to enforce and that NO ONE, even Inquisitors, should be above that. Itâs why while an Arbites is an amazing acolyte for their abilities, they are also some of the most likely to be âuncooperativeâ if you cross a line and they arenât often acolytes.
Also theyâre bullying Rannick. Who by all means should be bullied more.
And everything else danny said.
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The more we bully Rannick the faster genestealers will show up on Atoma.
And what if Brahams is a Rogue Trader?
She is a of a Rogue Trader house, she owes Grendyl and if she didnât he stii would have authority to use her ship. Unless she had forces enough to try and refuse him. Rogue traders have carte blanche to act, trade and do whatever they want outside the Imperium, inside they are imperial subjects and thus bow to Inquisitorial authority.
thanks! Darktide has a great story, wish there was a Dan Abnett book
Youâre not gonna believe thisâŚ
Hoping for one soon!
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I could easily believe a story where the Ultramarines are willing to exercise the prudence to recognize that a Cadian commander likely has a better understanding of a battlefront they have been serving for some time versus the Space Marines who just laid boots on the ground, even to the point of giving weight to the commanderâs tactical analysis of the situation and intended course of action. This doesnât mean they are being ordered around or disrespected, and in the end they will do what they want to - if their decided course of action coincides with the Cadian commanderâs stated plan of action, Ultramarines arenât going to raise a stink because the poor guy didnât flash the aquila and call them âsirâ enough.
On the other hand, granted, there are quite a few chapters that would indeed take such umbridge and hamper or even throw the entire operation just to put the commander in their place - many Inquisitors willing to do the same as well, of course.
It is a shame when 40k fans only have a rigid understanding of the setting, something certainly not helped by larger-than-life feature characters and popular memelore. It doesnât take much nuance to read the current situation aboard the Mourningstar as having a completely valid place within the setting. It has been deliberately presented with room for stories to exist between the extremes.
Oh, and also! Itâs absolutely totally completely okay to not like the current storytelling - I understand some people are sick of being treated as rejects after all this time, of the Inquisitor not leveraging their power more overtly, etc. - It is just ignorant and a sign of poor media literacy to blame the current storytelling on Fatshark not understanding the IP they are working with.
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How it was actually presented in game was pretty cringeworthy, especially when any sergeant in the Regiment could have leaned around and said âyeah I had to kill 3 of those things before theyâd make me a Corporal, 'cept those ones had spikes and demons for hands!â
This is an interesting thread and Iâm glad it exists.
40k humanity is a brutal meritocracy. Everyone has a job to do and respect is based on how well that job is being done.
Zorin and Dukane are very clear about their perception of the warband. This is a boat full of criminals that have been drafted into a penal army to fight a rebellion⌠and failing.
Dukaneâs opinion is the rejectsâ failure is their lack of discipline and faith, which aligns with her qualities as a Commissar. With the blessings of her superiors she has brought another regiment to bolster the war effort. The Astra Militarum will take her word over the Inquisitorial acolytes any day and have most definitely sanctioned her actions.
Grand Marshall Zorin declares to the Arbitrators that the failure belongs to them, people wouldnât be breaking the Lex if they were doing things right. The Mourning Star is probably a boat full of Lex Breakers to him, and thereâs no way such scum could ever stop a rebellion in his eyes. The warbandâs internal hierarchy of Mortis Operatives and Trust Levels would mean absolutely nothing to him. His actions align with his position and his own superiors would back his actions.
Neither of these characters are commandeering the war effort because mutual cooperation is necessary and obvious. Atoma must not fall. You can not like them because they very much look down on the Rejects, but the narrative is consistent.
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That was an enjoyable read and a logical explanation of why Zorin and Dukane donât take Grendylâs warband seriously.
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What I would add is that Dukaneâs role is not to command the warband but to fight the ground war. We are not under her command in any way, shape, or form, unless you opt to prove yourself to her via Havoc missions. She commands none of our missions and only appears as an adjunct in the train mission. We are Inquisitorial resources and unless Grendyl decides to allow her to command us, she has to keep her mitts off of our grubby selves.
Dukaneâs role is to use the troops at her disposal to physically contain and push back against attempts made by the Moebian 6th and Cult of Admonition to gain more territory. If the Enemy can do that they can infect more people with their virus, thus creating more resources for their fight and spreading their heresy ever further. Such a role would require significant attention at all times, as well as the work to ensure the Guard regiments have the resources and numbers needed, so it would be a benefit to Grendyl for the Guard to take over and handle all of that stuff.
Regarding Inquisitorial authority, brandishing the rosette straight out of the gates would be foolish; you donât play your best âI winâ card immediately; such a move could create fractures in the co-operation between Imperial authorities and organisations. Yes, the rosette represents near-absolute authority and power to the wielder, but it would be best reserved as a last resort. Instead, soft power, utilising the dread of the Inquisition, its reputation and mystery, as well as subtle reminders of that near-limitless authority and power is what should be used to have other Imperial authorities and organisations co-operate and accept the Inquisitionâs authority.
If, for example, Dukane or Vortern overstepped their boundaries and tried to take control of Grendylâs resources, I am certain they would be shown a rosette by Grendyl in a very brief and sharp reminder that the Inquisitionâs authority is final and that that was their only warning. They have their roles, we have ours, and Rannickâs failures are what led to him having to knuckle down and work alongside - rather than over - Dukane and Zorin.
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Its pretty simply actually Grendyl COULD exert control over Atoma and take control of all assets but he hasnt done this much less actually appeared, this isnt a power his warband simply has just by being his warband, they say they act with grendylâs authority but no one can prove that.
Now if we look at the other characters you mention Dukane was sent by the Lord Militant of the system to take control of the warzone (e.g the imperial guard planetside) as it stands she is the highest ranking person in the war when it comes to matters of war.
Votern has directly entered the situation to restore the imperial tithe due to him believing the war has went on for too long, this is well within his right and job role. His rank is also very high in the imperial hierarchy.
Alot of imperial politics is powerful people throwing their dicks around and stomping on each others toes this is very common in just about everything to do with 40k.
You made this post as if it was some gotcha but really alot of your assumptions are misplaced. The rosette doesnt mean anything by itself without orders to go with them.
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Technically the Inquisition doesnât have any authority over other branches of the Imperium. Just the power to investigate. Its more that over time as it grew from a handful of powerful lords & errants into a massive organization the other branches of the Imperium descended into infighting. As is usually the case in those situations that group that remains (reasonably) cohesive will start grabbing bits of power. Given enough time the âtemporary necessityâ becomes normal. Now add in the Adminstratumâs & Ecclesiarcyâs love of burying the facts of past events over 10,000 years.
Case in point - the Months of Shame when the Space Wolves dared the Ordo Malleus and Grey Knights to attack them to get at refugees from the First War for Armagedon. Despite all that Lord Inquisitors power he didnât dare declare the Wolves traitors. Could he have? Easily. Been done before. Did he want to? Not a chance in hell because he knew trying that to a founding chapter with the Wolves history whose âcrimeâ was telling a crazed idiot wasting the Emporerâs Coin to go to the Warp would push the rest of the Astartesâs to into declaring war on the Inquisition. A war the Inquisition knows it would lose as the Astartes command a whole lot more respect than they do among a wider array of the population. Hence why most Inquisitors rely on their private warband (if any), information, and affiliated groups like the Death Watch and Sisters of Battle.
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I mean, the way I saw it (And I donât have much lore under my belt, so this is an âoutsiderâ point of view):
- Grendel and Rannick have not been covering themselves in glory, with how long and costly this fight is going on. Plus, a cult was hidden under their noses. That has to sting the ego.
- Powers up the food chain are pulling rank because of that. The way I understand it is that Inquisitors have absolute power when needed. They canât just walk onto a planet and say âIâm in control because I want it & Iâm an Inquisitor.â They can say âIâm taking control of your local military force because I think thereâs heresy here.â So their absolute authority is, paradoxically, only absolute in regards to heresy.
- Since Rannick and the Warband are not getting results, and the Arbites and others are being pulled in because of that, those groups are borrowing higher authority.
- Plus, most of the Warband is the Rejects; People who should be put to death for their crimes, real or imagined. Not given lieniency. That has to look bad to other groups.
- And, as people have said; Politics. Rannick wants results because Grendel wants results. Heâs not going to get into a bolter-measuring contest over who has more authority while the planet burns. Let them be snide and dismissive, then use their manpower (Whatâs the word Iâm looking for here? Their manpower and guns and stuff) to get the job done. I mean, it seemed obvious âResultsâ is Priority #1 & âManpowerâ is Problem #1 when prisoners are being conscripted.
At least, that is how it all looks to me.
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Grendyl has one of those. Someone like Morrow does not. Participants in Zolaâs personal initiative to recruit convicts into suicide squads definitely do not have that authority.
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Not to mention Rannick states in one of the new cinematics that we shouldnt judge a book by its cover.
Who would we not want to judge based on appearances?
(IMO)
1, Zola and Wolfer (brother and sister)
2, Grendyl
3, Swagger
P.S. Hadron reaaaally hates this guyâŚ
Could Rannick have told us this as he has seen Grendyl and others wont accept his appearance? For fear, perhaps, that Grendyl has become a Radical. He has the Rejects collecting Grims for karkin sake!
There is something bigger going on, obvisously with the absence of Grendyl, and at the same time The worshippers of Nurgle or âAdmonitionâ is festering.
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