# Even with fire i cant see **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 12, 2024, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/even-with-fire-i-cant-see/95699 "2024-06-12T10:52:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Cheturnadcatii](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/cheturnadcatii/32/79639_2.png) [@Cheturnadcatii](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Cheturnadcatii)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/even-with-fire-i-cant-see/95699/1 "2024-06-12T10:52:36Z")
![20240612134843_1](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/c/3/c32dbb1e2475a6f66c9be11b64c0eb2bc20d4dd1.jpeg) U see crusher? He es here. IN THE MIDDLE. ---
**Author:** ![Geadly](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/geadly/32/92844_2.png) [@Geadly](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Geadly)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/even-with-fire-i-cant-see/95699/2 "2024-06-12T11:02:07Z")
Blinded by no lights 😔 It sure is **Dark** tide But ye, I also can’t see a thing with this modifier, if only they gave us some on body flashlights ---
**Author:** ![MadMartigan](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/madmartigan/32/85568_2.png) [@MadMartigan](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/MadMartigan)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/even-with-fire-i-cant-see/95699/3 "2024-06-12T12:06:34Z")
I detest this modifier. Absolutely appalling design. If they gave each player body flashlights then it would instantly go to a very fun modifier. How hard can it be to add some flashlights? ---
**Author:** ![Bankei](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df705f/32.png) [@Bankei](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Bankei)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/even-with-fire-i-cant-see/95699/4 "2024-06-12T12:09:45Z")
Immeasurably complex I’m sorry, I couldn’t resist ---
**Author:** ![Flawless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/eada6e/32.png) [@Flawless](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Flawless)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/even-with-fire-i-cant-see/95699/5 "2024-06-12T12:18:17Z")
When you are not downed, you do have a flashlight. Unless there is something strange going on with your settings, the screen is only that dark, because you are downed. ---
**Author:** ![Cheturnadcatii](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/cheturnadcatii/32/79639_2.png) [@Cheturnadcatii](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Cheturnadcatii)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/even-with-fire-i-cant-see/95699/6 "2024-06-12T12:24:07Z")
![20240518220601_1](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/3/3/33d9cdbc146da76ffe7ab23f36f5524791048c97.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Flawless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/eada6e/32.png) [@Flawless](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Flawless)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/even-with-fire-i-cant-see/95699/7 "2024-06-12T12:52:21Z")
Looks pretty fine to me, now. It is dark, but you can see quite a lot within a limited range. Enough range for combat. Good map knowledge is definitely recommended to no get lost in the dark. A weapon with flashlight can help with that. Some people like this type of modifier, others do not. But i do not think that the modifier is generally bad. * * * An issue that comes with this modifier (although not a fault of the modifier itself) is, that crushers sometimes do not make a sound. The combination of limited vision and having sound bugs, is what can make this modifier actually unfair (silent crushers are bad in general, but especially bad when you also can not see that much). ---
**Author:** ![Tzcheese](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/tzcheese/32/53773_2.png) [@Tzcheese](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Tzcheese)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/even-with-fire-i-cant-see/95699/8 "2024-06-12T13:15:44Z")
We’ve got body flashlights, they just have all the illuminating power of a single match. It’s a great modifier when you’re all running guns with torches. The mod should just boost everyone’s default torch to that brightness as part of the mod’s effect. ---
**Author:** ![Cheturnadcatii](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/cheturnadcatii/32/79639_2.png) [@Cheturnadcatii](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Cheturnadcatii)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/even-with-fire-i-cant-see/95699/9 "2024-06-12T13:20:44Z")
![20240612161925_1](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/5/3/53ce050323823978d036ae167ba1f4e2f4c36cc6.jpeg) Thats hilarious (face of an ogryn in pitch black) ---
**Author:** ![Flawless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/eada6e/32.png) [@Flawless](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Flawless)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/even-with-fire-i-cant-see/95699/10 "2024-06-12T13:22:53Z")
He is ready to tell horror stories at a campfire. ---
**Author:** ![psyk](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/psyk/32/96060_2.png) [@psyk](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/psyk)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/even-with-fire-i-cant-see/95699/11 "2024-06-12T13:28:28Z")
being an autogun ---
**Author:** ![ForumWarrior](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/forumwarrior/32/80804_2.png) [@ForumWarrior](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/ForumWarrior)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/even-with-fire-i-cant-see/95699/12 "2024-06-12T13:37:45Z")
I dont play this modifier. Also Ogryns still dont have access to a flashlight weapon. ---
**Author:** ![BFCInsomnia](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/bfcinsomnia/32/61321_2.png) [@BFCInsomnia](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/BFCInsomnia)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/even-with-fire-i-cant-see/95699/13 "2024-06-12T13:55:50Z")
Another problem solved by mods. ---
**Author:** ![Cheturnadcatii](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/cheturnadcatii/32/79639_2.png) [@Cheturnadcatii](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Cheturnadcatii)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/even-with-fire-i-cant-see/95699/14 "2024-06-12T13:55:54Z")
Can somebody create from this face of an ogryn an avatar? I will use it) ---
**Author:** ![Cosmophase](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/cosmophase/32/74846_2.png) [@Cosmophase](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Cosmophase)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/even-with-fire-i-cant-see/95699/15 "2024-06-12T13:58:01Z")
Dude joins a mission called “lights out” and expects there to be light LOL ---
**Author:** ![Cheturnadcatii](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/cheturnadcatii/32/79639_2.png) [@Cheturnadcatii](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Cheturnadcatii)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/even-with-fire-i-cant-see/95699/16 "2024-06-12T14:00:02Z")
Yes, because in reality if u going to dark place u go with flashlight. Why in 40k peoples cant use them? ---
**Author:** ![Jonboy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/jonboy/32/79392_2.png) [@Jonboy](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Jonboy)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/even-with-fire-i-cant-see/95699/17 "2024-06-12T14:09:35Z")
I like the dark maps. The key issue I have is that flashlights/torches (nationality dependent) are extremely cheap in any point in time since cavemen rubbed some sticks together, and I cannot imagine anyone deliberately going in to a mission where we know it’s night time and there’s no power without some kind of illumination. I get it’s a game. It’s just stupid though. ---
**Author:** ![deusvult6](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/deusvult6/32/75366_2.png) [@deusvult6](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/deusvult6)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/even-with-fire-i-cant-see/95699/18 "2024-06-12T14:14:09Z")
All these jokers saying “bring a flashlight”, HA! I say go full melee. FULL melee. One side effect of the modifier is that enemy aggro radius drops to almost zero. You can run up to a line of shotgunners and shake their hands before they realize you are there. Most people miss out on this because they shoot at everything they can see and sweep their flashlights over everyone, aggroing everything in LoS and then some. ---
**Author:** ![Jonboy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/jonboy/32/79392_2.png) [@Jonboy](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Jonboy)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/even-with-fire-i-cant-see/95699/19 "2024-06-12T14:20:14Z")
> [@deusvult6](#): > > You can run up to a line of shotgunners and shake their hands before they realize you are there. And you can run up to a line of Crushers and they shake your hands before you realise they are there. ---
**Author:** ![Cosmophase](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/cosmophase/32/74846_2.png) [@Cosmophase](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Cosmophase)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/even-with-fire-i-cant-see/95699/20 "2024-06-12T14:23:09Z")
Well that was one of the first things I complained about - 40k years into the future and we don’t have proper flashlights yet. The reality is, we do have them. These developers are just too lazy to implement them. There are literal flashlights you can attach to your weapons in the code already. Download this mod, install it and you will be able to attach a flashlight to your weapon. > **[Extended Weapon Customization](https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/277)** > > Weapon customization, flashlights, sights, scopes, equipment on back.Adds different kinds of qol and immersion things.And a bunch more stuff. Before anyone starts saying “oh this is cheating” it isn’t cheating when it exists in the code it just hasn’t been added yet. They obviously had plans for this but greed took over and now they are only focusing on their terrible cosmetic releases. [Next page](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/even-with-fire-i-cant-see/95699.md?page=2)