# Engineer's career missions (are bad) **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Feedback\ **Created:** [November 19, 2020, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153 "2020-11-19T22:12:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Noromiz](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/noromiz/32/768_2.png) [@Noromiz](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Noromiz)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153/21 "2020-11-20T08:55:17Z")
Yep. The Lost Cog is somewhere in the Keep, I found it after looking around for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Saryk](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/saryk/32/25094_2.png) [@Saryk](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Saryk)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153/22 "2020-11-20T08:56:39Z")
It’s on elites, not monsters or lords. ---
**Author:** ![Noromiz](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/noromiz/32/768_2.png) [@Noromiz](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Noromiz)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153/23 "2020-11-20T09:05:39Z")
I don’t know why I keep buying the Cosmetics DLCs, or well, I do it because I like cosmetics, but since I am the epitome of an average player and do not what a team to play with, I can’t really unlock anything from the DLC and therefore I can’t get any of the Cosmetics I brought. And I know, I should just get more friends who play the game or “git gud” or admit that a challenge you have almost no chance of completing is good for you. With the Grail Knight there were at least a few things in the shop I could buy for shillings, after I got the DLC ☹ So I really hope they make them a bit more doable solo or from regular play. They could have “two triggers” on some of the challenges. So you could go for a “fast and difficult unlock” and a “slow and steady”. E.g.: 1. Hit the same Monster with 30 shots from Alternative Fire of the Masterwork Pistol without missing. 2. Hit Monsters with a full salvo from Alternative Fire of the Masterwork Pistol 30 times. Or something. I really should stop buying the Cosmetics DLCs, they always make be aware of how mediocre I am at this game. EDIT: On the same not, I find it annoying how hard the Grail Knight stuff is too 😕 ---
**Author:** ![kei-dash](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/kei-dash/32/735_2.png) [@kei-dash](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/kei-dash)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153/24 "2020-11-20T09:48:50Z")
> [@semn007](#): > > young man CRINGE > [@semn007](#): > > If your achievement is done 2 hours after the update is out you’re either crazy good (you’re prolly not), or they’ve failed to make it an “achievement”. Achievement that I mentioned can be done in 2 hours. But With full team cooperation. Literally, you can do 4 (2 pistol ones and 2 crank ones, probably 2 more if someone agrees to carry a barrel) on one map, in one place, just by getting into non passable area in the end. My problem is that: some achievements have huge interference from the team, some too specific or random that you must spoil the fun of doing them normally and cheese them, some make Engi player play dumb to do them. ---
**Author:** ![anon38135248](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47774/32.png) [@anon38135248](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon38135248)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153/25 "2020-11-20T10:00:30Z")
I agree with most of the observations. Any achievement requiring a significant cooperation just for one player to get the achievement - or which requires amazing luck - is not a good one. I don’t consider that the rat ogre and Burblespew fall into that category, though. Of course, it can seem frustrating if you fail once or twice and you explicitly do it because of the achievement… And there is nothing that has to say every achievement should be hard. ---
**Author:** ![anon38135248](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47774/32.png) [@anon38135248](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon38135248)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153/26 "2020-11-20T10:07:49Z")
True, if you play long enough, many achievements of that kind will just happen on their own. Kill minotaur under the tree was the last such achievement in my case. And then I did the “kill the rat ogre in a jump” more deliberately, but all it took was paying a little bit more attention if I played a high single damage ult character and the orge spawned. I will miss the one where you have to let the archers make a killing blow on minotaur forever, though. ---
**Author:** ![anon38135248](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47774/32.png) [@anon38135248](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon38135248)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153/27 "2020-11-20T10:16:19Z")
IME it jumps quite often, but making it jump **on demand** requires _some_ reasonable coordination. The Screaming bell event is quite good for compensating for uncooperative teammates because you can crash the bell while there are lots of extras, and there you have a better chance. ---
**Author:** ![semn007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f4b2a3/32.png) [@semn007](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/semn007)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153/28 "2020-11-20T10:18:10Z")
> [@Noromiz](#): > > I don’t know why I keep buying Dude, I’m in an even tougher position. Not only I don’t use the cosmetics, I proactively and strongly loathe them. However I bought everything FS rolled out in the Steam Store… > [@kei-dash](#): > > CRINGE That’s the feel I was going for 😃 The argument of interference is sound, but… I want to see V2 as a truly cooperative game that’s why I’m a bit against playing with bots - I’d have rather had something similar to Deep Rock Galaxy fix (if you start the game solo you get a robot assistant - not an AI replacement of another character). Still FS is too fat to implement all these features so we got what we got. I think the best way to solve your problem is to find a dedicated team. That’s something I’ve been wailing about for years. There is no lobby where you can make up a team. For Sigmar’s sake, why can’t lazy FS let you add a description to the hosted game, it does not sound like a lot of work and it’d make it possible to make a party without using 3rd party programs. ---
**Author:** ![kei-dash](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/kei-dash/32/735_2.png) [@kei-dash](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/kei-dash)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153/29 "2020-11-20T10:35:24Z")
> [@semn007](#): > > I think the best way to solve your problem is to find a dedicated team. Its not “my” problem. I’ve played \ playing in several dedicated teams since VT1. It is completely separate can of worms. Its not about “gaming the system” its about having better experience. ---
**Author:** ![Ghoth1ckov1tch](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/ghoth1ckov1tch/32/25985_2.png) [@Ghoth1ckov1tch](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Ghoth1ckov1tch)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153/30 "2020-11-20T11:17:32Z")
> [@anon38135248](#): > > Kill minotaur under the tree was the last such achievement in my case. Well, “Minotaur & Oak” is very simple - the Twitch modе will help. “Against the Grain” and wait under the tree until victory. I also did challenges for the Grail Knight with monsters with Twitch - right on the same map. As if a test of knowledge of the features and capabilities of the game. I like the Twitch mode, it’s bad just that it is impossible to make private the Twitch + Quickplay game, like Quickplay Weaves. What a stupid idea it was to do that. ---
**Author:** ![souI23](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/soui23/32/25193_2.png) [@souI23](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/souI23)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153/31 "2020-11-20T11:18:35Z")
I’m totally with @kei-dash… I already completated any previous challenge, so it’s not a “players’ problem” or a “gitgud problem”. Challenges can be hard but fun and fair… or just annoying/frustrating/rng. Engineer’s ones force hours and hours of boring gameplay… wich must be **multiplied by four** … since you have to repeat the challanges for every teammate. ---
**Author:** ![anon38135248](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47774/32.png) [@anon38135248](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon38135248)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153/32 "2020-11-20T11:28:17Z")
Yes, you’re right. I haven’t even thought of using Twitch, that would have been even easier. The minotaur and archers is a problem because it’s basically bait to play weaves, though. ---
**Author:** ![freqlectic](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/freqlectic/32/19312_2.png) [@freqlectic](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/freqlectic)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153/33 "2020-11-20T12:57:54Z")
That’s a solid idea. Need to find a meaty troll…and kill off the bots. ---
**Author:** ![kei-dash](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/kei-dash/32/735_2.png) [@kei-dash](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/kei-dash)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153/34 "2020-11-20T14:16:38Z")
Troll is not an Elite. He is the boss. ---
**Author:** ![SirKruber](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/sirkruber/32/26457_2.png) [@SirKruber](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/SirKruber)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153/35 "2020-11-20T17:18:25Z")
> [@Noromiz](#): > > I can’t really unlock anything from the DLC and therefore I can’t get any of the Cosmetics I brought. This is why I didn’t buy the GK cosmetic upgrade when GK first released. I played a lot of MMOs and when you buy cosmetics, they are unlocked immediately after purchase! So when my friend came to me and said ALL of the cosmetics were locked behind challenges, I was quite upset. The way I read the description on the store page was you were buying for cosmetics AND new challenges. I assumed you would immediately unlock 1 or 2 hats/skins and the rest were obtained with completing challenges. I’m sorry but I’ve never bought a cosmetic item in a game shop that I didn’t automatically receive upon purchase. That’s basically the whole point of cosmetic microtransactions. **It would have been worth the money if at least 1 or 2 complete outfits (hat/skin) were immediately available after purchase.** Like I said before, I love completing challenges, but it’s gotten to a point now that I just don’t care to bother with them anymore. ---
**Author:** ![MoribundOne](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/moribundone/32/26598_2.png) [@MoribundOne](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/MoribundOne)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153/36 "2020-11-20T18:31:53Z")
> This is why I didn’t buy the GK cosmetic upgrade when GK first released. I played a lot of MMOs and when you buy cosmetics, they are unlocked immediately after purchase! So when my friend came to me and said ALL of the cosmetics were locked behind challenges, I was quite upset. This is a good reason not to buy the cosmetic upgrade. Why I bought it is because I’m interested in the challenges themselves, not so much in cosmetics. So I come from the other side of the spectrum. The cosmetic upgrade to me is a misleading name. It should be named “Challenge Pack.” As far as challenges themselves, in two hours time I played with the new career I was able to get the “kill Sorcerer, Life Leech, and Halescourge with the cog hammer,” as well as “kill an elite, special, and a monster with a single crank gun barrage.” The other was just sheer luck. I find 20 consecutive headshots on elites pretty much impossible… For now. I’ll try. Same goes for 30 hits on a monster with alt-fire of the Masterwork Pistol. I tried several bosses on Legend - Troll, Stormfiend, Chaos Spawn. They die too fast. I’m able to get 24 shots on them, but never 30, they die on the last mag. Maybe if nobody else was damaging them, but I don’t have enough friends to play with, just one in fact. And the bots do too much damage themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Saryk](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/saryk/32/25094_2.png) [@Saryk](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Saryk)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153/37 "2020-11-20T18:44:39Z")
I see some difficult things in this set of challenges, but the Grail Knight’s ? I’d done them all in two days, except for the 100 missions which took me a week or two… Which ones are you struggling with ? ---
**Author:** ![Perteks](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/perteks/32/21276_2.png) [@Perteks](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Perteks)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153/38 "2020-11-20T18:47:57Z")
Oh no challenges are challenging! You need to do some specific think outside of just play and dont give a shiet about any challenge ---
**Author:** ![Rat\_Effer](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/rat_effer/32/25401_2.png) [@Rat\_Effer](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Rat_Effer)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153/39 "2020-11-20T19:57:31Z")
30 hits on Monsters also work on Lords. I got that challenge with Burblebee Hivescruge. Super easy. ---
**Author:** ![hgjw](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/hgjw/32/70947_2.png) [@hgjw](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/hgjw)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153/40 "2020-11-20T20:09:54Z")
If that is the case then the challenge text should be something along the lines of “monsters and lords”. Against lord characters 30 shots is lot more reasonable. Against standard legend monster enemies its barely doable. [Previous page](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/engineers-career-missions-are-bad/42153.md?page=3)