Enemy Health Bars & Damage Values

Thats what you said, my dude. I just corrected the grammar, and applied it to actual things that came with the game.

If it doesn’t help with anything, why don’t just remove it?

priority

You mean you dont prioritise elites already? Or unless you mean elites with low hp? Is it supposed to be some hidden knowledge that elites should be targeted first? Or is this some imaginary situation where somehow in a train of specials and elites youre going to go out of your way to target some dying elite that someone is already dispatching, hence the lowered hp?

score

Please explain?

???

Yes im confused by that too. Youre expecting me to understand your 300iq response with just a sentence? Or worse yet 3 question marks?

Of course the same elites/specials with lower hp you id__. Kill the lower hp first so yo can eliminate immediate threat (specials/elites with the same threat level).

If there are 3 dogs running at your team, which one you attack first? Usually the closest, right. What if you can see that the other two right behind it have 20% hp? You can easily kill them quickly with range, now you only have to dodge once.

Are you stupid? Have you seen 5+ mutants spawning at the same time and all running at you? What about a group of 5 Crushers? During the kite you know exactly which one you or your team already damaged? Perhaps two of the Crushers only need 1 more heavy headshot to kill, with the mod you can easily tell which one to eliminate first. If you don’t have the mod, you may have to kite a while.

Honestly, tell me your reason for using the mod? What is it?

Moreover, with the mod, players can make a much better judgment.

  • Should I reload now, or is it enough to kill the elites/specials in front of me?
  • Should I risk killing it real quick, or should I play safe and continue kiting?
    etc.

Good god.

I am not a mind reader. I can’t possibly know what you think. I asked you to give me your view on why you disagree.

The best I can do is guess and even then, I’d be having a discussion with myself.

Seriously, what are you doing in a forum if you can’t be bothered to have a conversation?

Why am I not surprised that you didn’t get what I actually said.

What I said is that it helps bad players more than good ones.

you can intentionally take advantage of a bug

That’s what you want to believe. That’s how you convince yourself it’s ok to use. You based it on utilitarianism and everybody should be ok with that?

Ah yes, thank you for providing me with an imaginary scenario where the healthbar mod provides extremely minimal benefits.

dog

Lmao in that scenario where youve successfully determined which of the dogs are low, they are all easy picking for guns, which by the way is not possible because dogs move so fast and the hp bars dont show up unless theyre actively taking damage, so youre already dodging or pushing by the time you recognise them as dogs, or your teammates are already shooting at them. Really, 1 dodge? Wow, thats gonna give me green circles.

muties

Lol

crushers

Now this is something, and im going to inform you that regardless of the hp bar mod people who are equiped to deal with crushers will remove them all in a timely manner anyway. Its not gonna change the fact that it will die sooner or later. Yes, removing a crusher with 20% hp is a good thing to do, its not gonna make the other 2 crushers who are about to overhead you any less of a threat, because you should ALWAYS prioritise enemies who are about to close in on you, not some mauler in the backline.

Ive already mentioned i dont use the mod. Rather, i turned it off because it was cluttering the game for me.

The last two points you bring up are precise reason why some people should consider the mod, if anything.

Again im still confused why youre so avert to players wanting to ‘improve’ (as little as the hp mod helps in that regard). I dont get why a mod that you personally dont want to use should be banned for others. Bad players are bad regardless of this mod.

Alright, fair enough.

You really do not get it, do you?

It’s not what I want to belive, that’s what I believe.
You’re suggesting that I ignore “the truth” and chose to believe something else. The reality is that I believe something else than you.

I am not convincing myself of anything. I just do not share your views.

I am basing my opinion on facts and do not care for sentimentalities or someone elses morales.

You, on the other hand, seem to think that there is a correct opinion to have about this (which has to be your own obviously, that’s just how that works) and that somehow anybody else only needs to hear your superior morality and then they have to be convinced or they chose to be wrong despite knowing that they are not.

The one thing you can’t seem to wrap your head around is that nobody cares for your morality.
I cared to know your reasoning and to hear some facts of yours to maybe have a discussion but if you’re only going to come at me with “my morales are supperior and you know it” then talking to you is a giant waste of time.

It’s clear to me that you don’t find it very useful or know how. But there are people who can make a huge dif. Perhaps ppl who are using it are the same as you, I shouldn’t care about it in the first place.

As I said because your belief is based on utilitarianism. You want to think it’s ok, that’s fine. I don’t expect much from that theory anyway.

i know im not convincing you of anything, but your passive aggressive name calling or implication of incompetence has got to stop if ever you want to have an actual civil discourse. I dont care that you called me stupid or an idiot, but youre not going to convincing anyone else of your view point if thats at all what youre trying to do. I mean, youve only convinced me that youre extremely hostile to opposing view points.

At the end of the day you just seem supremely upset that someone dares to want to use a tool because they think it makes them a better player - In a PvE game that natively has no scoreboard.

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Let’s start with your first comment. This is what you said and I had not even written to you before. (yet, he’s asking to be civil)

It’s not but you do you man. I’ve explained it and you chose to ignore it and not engage in a discussion. You’re adding nothing of value.

Do everyone a favour and just leave the forums if this is the best you can do.

Maybe you don’t understand the meaning of “utilitarianism.”

Do yourself a favor

Who are you competing against in this cooperative PvE game?

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That is one reason why this should be stock and accessible to all players. Like BFC pointed out, the average random teammate needs all the help they can get.

Doesn’t have to compete against none. If the game doesn’t come with the option, using the mod to make it easier is cheating. You want it easier, you use the mod just like other types of cheat. It’s not as severe but it is cheating nonetheless.

Another thread about health bar mods…

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Feel free to not contribute if you’ve enjoyed this discussion in older, now locked, threads in the past.

And it’s no longer cheating if the developer adds it as a QoL feature for everyone to use. If you feel it makes the game too easy for you, you are able to turn it off.

You could say the same for literally any proposed feature that improves QoL, that it’s “cheating” because the developers, in their infinite and infallible wisdom, did not add the feature at the game’s initial moment of creation.

I kind of want to do a bit of a test and play with a group for a few games and tell them that i may or may not have the healthbar mod on, and see if they can figure out when i am using it or not.