# Clarifying the Asia Serv perspective on Havoc 40 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 20, 2026, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988 "2026-03-20T18:25:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Cazius](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/cazius/32/102296_2.png) [@Cazius](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Cazius)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2026, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988/84 "2026-03-22T23:23:19Z")
> [@Brad9191](#): > > Coincidence I can’t tell, for real. > [@Brad9191](#): > > I see you edited that in you sneaky little liar. That wasn’t there in the first place, care to try again? Always sneaky little cheaters trying to get a 1+ up on people making great points. I see I’m dealing with a dishonest person here as well, typical behavior of CN players, eh. It seems like I’ve taken your anger for someone else? ---
**Author:** ![alsozara](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/alsozara/32/6944_2.png) [@alsozara](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/alsozara)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2026, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988/86 "2026-03-22T23:32:38Z")
> [@Cazius](#): > > otherwise the balance would have followed the thoughts of CN players long ago Lmao. None of you can provide the most basic reasoning for your balance approach besides “I am top player do what I say”. There are threads and threads now of your community ignoring basic arguments like the following: > [@Differing perspectives on balance stem directly from differences in gaming philosophy](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/differing-perspectives-on-balance-stem-directly-from-differences-in-gaming-philosophy/119593/217): > > HP values are confirmed to get adjusted based on power output players have > > > [@Patch #13: Class Overhaul Part 1](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/patch-13-class-overhaul-part-1/83184/1): > > > > Adjusted most enemy health pools, hit mass values, and stagger thresholds to be a bit higher overall, with higher increase on Monstrosities, with the goal to match the overall increase in power output from players. > > It follows that, if elite HP keeps getting buffed, it would be because player power output was too high. Why is it too high? Analysis reveals certain weapons are overpowered, so called outliers. > How could buffing elite HP pools and thus making 80% of the weapon roster even worse be avoided? Nerfing those outliers so that all weapons are similar in power output. Why not buff the things that aren’t outliers? Because that’s 5x more work and balancing and potential messups. Thank god Fatshark doesn’t balance based on your opinions. If I were to judge your community by your forum contribution I’d assume you are all incapable of any measure of analytical thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Martak7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/848f3c/32.png) [@Martak7](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Martak7)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988/87 "2026-03-23T01:32:03Z")
CN region should have separate client if their playerbase approach the game in such a radically different way from the rest of the world tbh. ---
**Author:** ![Amelia](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/amelia/32/35846_2.png) [@Amelia](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Amelia)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988/88 "2026-03-23T15:39:00Z")
fatshark scared to nerf things cause of the massive negative reviews could happen if CN players would ever see those nerfs. but beside that it is also fatshark wanting this game being casual ---
**Author:** ![Ragnarok101](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/ragnarok101/32/78147_2.png) [@Ragnarok101](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Ragnarok101)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988/89 "2026-03-23T15:40:54Z")
Starting to wonder if we’re dealing with an organized botting campaign, or if the AI doing the translation just pulls the exact same spiel bc it’s all drawing from the same training data. I don’t care about the ‘Asia server perspective’. Nut up, accept that difficulty is a thing that should exist and you’re not special for abusing meta, and stop whining. ---
**Author:** ![Amelia](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/amelia/32/35846_2.png) [@Amelia](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Amelia)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988/90 "2026-03-23T15:45:16Z")
> [@cuujm980](#): > > maintaining Havoc 40 is just a weekly routine. Think of it like a weekly challenge in a mobile game—it’s simply a standard, structured goal people log in to complete with friends to unwind after a long day at work. so is this what the Asia Serv perspective thinks? they don’t want havoc derank demotion being removed? ok… but they want constantly ranking up which is virtually pointless when it is something it has already done countless times before and it just feels like more a weird player retention thing that doesn’t work anyway cause of the bad rewards, penances included. ---
**Author:** ![temp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f04885/32.png) [@temp](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/temp)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988/91 "2026-03-23T15:47:28Z")
> [@Ragnarok101](#): > > Starting to wonder if we’re dealing with an organized botting campaign, or if the AI doing the translation just pulls the exact same spiel bc it’s all drawing from the same training data It would be funny if it turns out that all these representatives of the Hong Kong community flooding the forum are just one person ---
**Author:** ![Gideon404](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/gideon404/32/96699_2.png) [@Gideon404](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Gideon404)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988/92 "2026-03-23T15:50:25Z")
Yeah, imagine if the regular players in that region were all completely chilled out but we’ve got this one maniac logging in every day. ---
**Author:** ![Index](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/index/32/95844_2.png) [@Index](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Index)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988/93 "2026-03-23T17:02:41Z")
what does the codex say about dealing with heresy once it festers? 😝 ---
**Author:** ![Digman](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/digman/32/73276_2.png) [@Digman](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Digman)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988/94 "2026-03-23T17:47:29Z")
I will say all this HK server outrage over nedeed nerfrs only shows fact players from HK are good is a myth. Lets be honest here if they really be that good they dont flood forum and spam about hOw iTs rUiN bUilDs dIvEsItY and rewiev bomb DT on steam like kids throwing tantrum. But yeah like one of those “god” tier players said “Using op wepons require skill” or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![Brad9191](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/brad9191/32/110216_2.png) [@Brad9191](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Brad9191)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2026, 2:43am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988/95 "2026-03-24T02:43:45Z")
Man… **There should be heavy punishment for false flagging posts under false pretenses.** Like, maybe a time-out or even further a ban if they keep doing it in rapid succession. Just because this forum points out shtty things a certain playbase does & they cannot handle the truth of it. _Wink, wink…_ ---
**Author:** ![Cazius](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/cazius/32/102296_2.png) [@Cazius](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Cazius)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2026, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988/96 "2026-03-24T09:06:32Z")
![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/a/e/ae8925a07d87a61a591328b736d33dc7f72dfd11.jpeg) ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/c/4/c4146add4fefbe708ca63645d69b0433dee6996f.png) ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/8/c/8c85a52c7c4050d1a6e3bab45213ad176a457a44.png) ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/8/8/884cd74f3466e46c428acafa5554851850ce7008.png) I didn’t flagged your post My main point is this **f- the cheaters** I was providing various cheating evidence to Fatshark over a month ago to help them solve this problem, but it seems to have been indefinitely shelved. ![89330ee13ad6bde05342354bfb669108](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/7/7/773e471e04c6035a1aa9bf457ae15adecf0ae2e0.png) ![49d8d90606355adbed91a4078c1158b3](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/2/9/29d0447b2af62b6772a1c8a4f5f7b117958dcea9.png) ![c32cd43d7d65ff8ee251bdb8cf86c322](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/1/e/1e125ee2f3d3f9e1260f0bc9af37329aaca2d55e.png) ![4e8643e076f017ce3cd153d1e6be00e1](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/b/4/b490c8f22a25ef93a74be16509d536bd3a9f9f02.png) And about the balance, my PERSONAL opinion is this Boldly buff weapons/talents that no one uses, rather than meaninglessly adjust small values. Nomatter how weapon/talents nerf, I still can pass any high difficulty or havoc 40 The thing is this > [@Veteran and Psyker are unfairly paying for buffs to underused talents](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/veteran-and-psyker-are-unfairly-paying-for-buffs-to-underused-talents/119310/257): > > fs’s balancing > > ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/a/b/ab5897b4dacfd11f78741ffcaeb659c07677d4f4.png) The consistent balance of Fat Shark has always been big nerfs and small buffs, and the balance baseline is gradually decreasing I hope all bd/weapon performs well. It’s just a personal opinion, and I don’t really care about balances, no need for approval. The most memorable examples for me are the Autopistol and Quickdraw Revolver. Before their nerfs, back when Havoc didn’t even exist, I really enjoyed using both. But after the nerf, they’ve become almost completely disappear in Auric maelstorm that times. > [@alsozara](#): > > Thank god Fatshark doesn’t balance based on your opinions. Do you not have the ability to read everything I say > [@Cazius](#): > > I have also read many comments, most of which are unsightly, but Fatshark doesn’t care at all, otherwise the balance would have followed the thoughts of CN players long ago. I agree your quoted example, and I can’t tolerate such nagitive racist review bomb either. If you can’t understand this, then I can only assume that you are incapable of any measure of analytical thinking. Continue to huddle together for warmth. > [@anon41016878](#): > > That person is literally using flowery words to say “you are bad, we are good” and the “you” refers to a racial/geographical demographic he’s not a part of. If saying “you chinese people suck at the game” is racism or narrowminded, then this is too. Totally agree, don’t mix You and You people together. I have made this mistake before and I admit it. I won’t make such mistakes in the future, otherwise, I would mistake this person with fulfill racist type sh- for a stereotypical impression of the forum crowd. > [@Brad9191](#): > > I see you edited that in you sneaky little liar. That wasn’t there in the first place, care to try again? Always sneaky little cheaters trying to get a 1+ up on people making great points. I see I’m dealing with a dishonest person here as well, typical behavior of CN players, eh. ---
**Author:** ![anon41016878](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@anon41016878](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon41016878)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2026, 9:12am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988/97 "2026-03-24T09:12:26Z")
> [@Cazius](#): > > The consistent balance of Fat Shark has always been big nerfs and small buffs, and the balance baseline is gradually decreasing How is that true when players are stronger almost every patch? If your point is really “there is no powercreep, player power is decreasing” then I feel we aren’t playing the same game. ---
**Author:** ![Cazius](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/cazius/32/102296_2.png) [@Cazius](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Cazius)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2026, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988/98 "2026-03-24T09:14:59Z")
just a personal opinion, anyway it’s a pve game. ---
**Author:** ![anon41016878](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@anon41016878](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon41016878)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2026, 9:16am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988/99 "2026-03-24T09:16:46Z")
![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/f/2/f27b78c3da2b49d74145fbba7c5879fa7fac0df1.png) I think this sums up Fatshark balancing far better ---
**Author:** ![Brad9191](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/brad9191/32/110216_2.png) [@Brad9191](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Brad9191)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2026, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988/100 "2026-03-24T09:17:21Z")
I never said you personally did flag anywhere in my comment, but people on here that do should be punished, IMO. The only factors in which people should be flagging if its violating community standards such as spam, harassment, inappropriate/offensive content, illegal activity, or misinformation. None of which are from my end, people just have thin skin & cannot handle a bit of argumentation. ---
**Author:** ![Cazius](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/cazius/32/102296_2.png) [@Cazius](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Cazius)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2026, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988/101 "2026-03-24T09:36:44Z")
what is p13? ---
**Author:** ![Brad9191](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/brad9191/32/110216_2.png) [@Brad9191](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Brad9191)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2026, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988/102 "2026-03-24T09:45:07Z")
Patch 13. ---
**Author:** ![anon41016878](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@anon41016878](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon41016878)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2026, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988/103 "2026-03-24T09:47:34Z")
What brad said, the patch that added all the talents. Player power went from 100% to 400% in that patch and it only kept going up since ---
**Author:** ![Cazius](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/cazius/32/102296_2.png) [@Cazius](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Cazius)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2026, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988/104 "2026-03-24T09:51:32Z")
is the patch they rebuild the talent tree from v2 style? I thought that was the true “official release” lol. fr player power went from 100% to 400% [Previous page](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/clarifying-the-asia-serv-perspective-on-havoc-40/119988.md?page=6)