# Announcing Nightmares & Visions - Releasing March 25, 2025 **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** devpost, patchnotes\ **Created:** [March 5, 2025, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592 "2025-03-05T17:59:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![RaNdOmKiLs666](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/randomkils666/32/35924_2.png) [@RaNdOmKiLs666](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/RaNdOmKiLs666)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592/41 "2025-03-05T19:44:12Z")
![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/a/f/affddc35900456238d2b4948be77cc8e74dfeef1.jpeg) Ogryns after finally getting weapon buffs and a talent tree rework. ---
**Author:** ![anon61080228](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@anon61080228](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/anon61080228)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592/42 "2025-03-05T19:45:00Z")
Judging by the name i thought new enemies at first, like psykers and witches oh well. ---
**Author:** ![gpkgpk](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/gpkgpk/32/119406_2.png) [@gpkgpk](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/gpkgpk)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592/43 "2025-03-05T19:45:12Z")
šŸ”§ : āš” āš” ? āš” šŸ”Ø ? āš” šŸ§¹ ? P.S. āš” šŸ„ ? ---
**Author:** ![CAMarshmallow](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/camarshmallow/32/82156_2.png) [@CAMarshmallow](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/CAMarshmallow)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592/44 "2025-03-05T19:46:25Z")
hi strawhat im hoping there are nerfs for some stand out abilities, weapons, and the like with this patch regards, ---
**Author:** ![psyk](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/psyk/32/96060_2.png) [@psyk](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/psyk)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592/45 "2025-03-05T19:46:37Z")
> [@FatsharkStrawHat](#): > > p.s. If I am slow replying right this moment itā€™s because I am making some dinner and I timed this poorly hahah šŸ«” thank you i know id much rather listen to a podcast while cooking ---
**Author:** ![Fuplaayz](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/fuplaayz/32/11157_2.png) [@Fuplaayz](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Fuplaayz)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592/46 "2025-03-05T19:52:10Z")
Update looks great, glad you guys are listening to the feedback! šŸ‘ Side note: **WHY** releasing it on the 25th? The same day as Killing Floor 3? Is competing directly with other coop games a new marketing strategy? Iā€™m puzzled. šŸ¤” ---
**Author:** ![Index](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/index/32/95844_2.png) [@Index](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Index)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592/47 "2025-03-05T19:53:21Z")
> [@Lt.DavinFelth](#): > > Subtitle Guy! ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/2/e/2e7dd5839760abbace59b27f7653112dac6ca47f.jpeg) > [@FatsharkStrawHat](#): > > The Ogryn Talent Tree Rework blog is first (this week - **weā€™re talking 37 pages of notes** hold my breath until thenā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![deusvult6](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/deusvult6/32/75366_2.png) [@deusvult6](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/deusvult6)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592/48 "2025-03-05T19:55:47Z")
> [@Hextechnician](#): > > The set dressing was certainly not the thing that kept me playing Chaos Wastes. Perhaps not, but the addition of actual novel mini-maps for each area instead of the dressed-up and reversed regular maps from the winds definitely helped. So hopefully whatever actual Chaso-Wastes-esque mode we get for DT will be in a new area rather than just retreads. Ever since I read the descriptions of Nox Alpha, Iā€™ve been hoping for an expedition there to where it all began. But I know itā€™ll probably just be that stupid second hive city which will just be Tertium +extra goo. > [@dragomusic](#): > > The reward being Darktide lore snippets is insanely bad. Especially since itā€™s about the Mourningstar characters which are arguably the worst part about Darktideā€™s ā€œstory.ā€ Iā€™m afraid that the underlying issue is that the crafting rework completely fouled the gameā€™s economy. None of the currencies or materials really have any value anymore since everything is so much more easily obtained and the currencies remain at their previous availability. Thus, they have nothing of value to actually give us anymore. Whether dockets, marks, plasteel, or diamantine, itā€™s all just chilling in our wallets with nothing to do anymore. > [@weeping.moon](#): > > Judging by the name i thought new enemies at first, like psykers and witches oh well. Same. Enemy psykers and sorcerers had been brought up a bunch on the forum lately so I was primed for it. Not yet, I guess . . . ---
**Author:** ![DrHammer](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/drhammer/32/93943_2.png) [@DrHammer](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/DrHammer)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592/49 "2025-03-05T19:57:20Z")
Any opportunity to learn more about Brunt, The Ogryn Quartermaster is an opportunity I am going to take, sir! ---
**Author:** ![Hextechnician](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/hextechnician/32/79675_2.png) [@Hextechnician](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Hextechnician)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592/50 "2025-03-05T19:59:09Z")
> [@deusvult6](#): > > Whether dockets, marks, plasteel, or diamantine, itā€™s all just chilling in our wallets with nothing to do anymore Easily solved if they #letuspaint. Just give me a Destiny color palette system, Iā€™d grind for new ones all day. ---
**Author:** ![DrHammer](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/drhammer/32/93943_2.png) [@DrHammer](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/DrHammer)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592/51 "2025-03-05T20:00:32Z")
> [@deusvult6](#): > > Tertium +extra goo. Hab Block Dreyko 2: Gelatinous Boogerloo. ---
**Author:** ![Chaos791](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/chaos791/32/96098_2.png) [@Chaos791](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Chaos791)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592/52 "2025-03-05T20:00:42Z")
Not gonna lie except the Ogryn rework who might be decent (letā€™s hope !) the rest is not very exciting for me. New stuff for Havoc ? I donā€™t have friends to play Havoc right now and except if you make some changes to make it less artificially hardcore and meta users only thatā€™s not gonna change my way to play the game. Yes i want Havoc to be hard, no i donā€™t want it to be bull\*\*\*\*. Mortis Trials ā€¦ If itā€™s not Chaos Waste-like what is it then ? I hope itā€™s not a ā€œFortunes of warā€ stuff because itā€™s gonna have the same problem than Havoc right now ; people will play it around a month just to try and get the penances/cosmetics and nobody will play it again, except that 1% players who want the 100% ā€¦ I will have my answers next weeks i suppose ā€¦ Now the real questions that i think everybody will agree with me ; alongside Ogryn rework for talents and weapons can we expect new weapons for our rejects especially a ranged one for Vet (you forget about him last update ā˜¹ !). Also is there gonna be a new regular map in the roster ? And finally now the game is past 2 years old can we hope to see a new class joining the warband soon ? I hope there is more that you didnā€™t mention here because putting more than 3 months of hardwork inside Fatshark just for another forgettable new mode (once again i hope you will surprised us in a good way !) I will be disappointed and i fear i wonā€™t be alone in that feeling šŸ˜• ---
**Author:** ![Ragnarok101](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/ragnarok101/32/78147_2.png) [@Ragnarok101](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Ragnarok101)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592/53 "2025-03-05T20:00:46Z")
> [@dragomusic](#): > > The reward being Darktide lore snippets is insanely bad. Especially since itā€™s about the Mourningstar characters which are arguably the worst part about Darktideā€™s ā€œstory.ā€ To be fair: itā€™s not like they will offer Aquilas, and currencies of any kind are basically worthless. Frames and cosmetics are of very limited utility as well. So theyā€™re basically left with ā€˜give everyone the lore since theyā€™ve been complaining about the lack of storyā€™. ---
**Author:** ![jackjackson](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/jackjackson/32/89262_2.png) [@jackjackson](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/jackjackson)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592/54 "2025-03-05T20:06:57Z")
That havoc update better include some form of quick play otherwise it may as well be wasted dev time. The new mode not being wastes sounds bad tbh. I donā€™t trust the current team to come up with anything decent give their track record. The absence of the combat lead and the closure of the studio that made the original chaos wastes is felt dearly. Also lol at character lore being a reward. I donā€™t care about any of those terribly written figures. You know what would have been a great reward? Weapon skins. The things I spend 99% of my time looking at. Another classic starved for content fatshark L and the content isnā€™t even out yet. Insane. ---
**Author:** ![TempestWolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a5b964/32.png) [@TempestWolf](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/TempestWolf)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592/55 "2025-03-05T20:09:30Z")
Wherā€™re the promised new veteran weapons? ---
**Author:** ![Scipo0419](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/scipo0419/32/84642_2.png) [@Scipo0419](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Scipo0419)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592/56 "2025-03-05T20:11:54Z")
Idk why I read your post as: ā€œpower swordā€ ā€œthunder hammerā€ ā€œvacuum cleanerā€ ---
**Author:** ![Riku](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/riku/32/118330_2.png) [@Riku](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Riku)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592/57 "2025-03-05T20:18:36Z")
> [@Scipo0419](#): > > ā€œvacuum cleanerā€ nurgle be like: ![](https://media1.tenor.com/m/T-ql54VXUcgAAAAC/witchcraft-hunchback-of-notre-dame.gif "Witchcraft Hunchback Of Notre Dame GIF - Witchcraft Hunchback Of Notre Dame...") ---
**Author:** ![Kurt](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/kurt/32/57465_2.png) [@Kurt](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Kurt)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592/58 "2025-03-05T20:18:50Z")
This is kind of a weird step. Iā€™d rather have them improve and build upon the usual missions than adding another gamemode after Havoc got added some months ago. A new class/subclass whatever, a big balance patch, new weapons and some new regular missions would be something Iā€™d like to see much more than whatever this gamemode will be. ---
**Author:** ![Ragnarok101](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forums.fatsharkgames.com/ragnarok101/32/78147_2.png) [@Ragnarok101](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Ragnarok101)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592/59 "2025-03-05T20:20:25Z")
It is a bit weird. Theyā€™ve already got Havoc, Aurics, Maelstroms, Auric Maelstroms, the weird special Zola mission, and regular missions (Iā€™m grouping these by quickplay/lobbies). Why add an eighth game mode? ---
**Author:** ![Freaktacular](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c4cdca/32.png) [@Freaktacular](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/u/Freaktacular)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592/60 "2025-03-05T20:24:08Z")
red weapons please i havenā€™t launched this game in a month why should i come back? [Previous page](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/announcing-nightmares-visions-releasing-march-25-2025/105592.md?page=4)